@TMS I think if we compare JW's with Christianity in its early years, I see an ease in treating apostates, they were though facing similar problems, anyway even apostles contested or stumbled at times.
lumberjack
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Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering
by TMS inwith the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.
we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.
some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.
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Living Through the Brief Liberalization of Jehovah's Witnesses, Never Recovering
by TMS inwith the book crisis of conscience detailing the turbulence at bethel during the early to mid 70's, the transformation from autocratic rule to governance by committee or a body of men, many of us can speak to how that felt among the rank and file of the local congregations during those years.
we learned new concepts based in large part to research done for the aid to bible understanding volume, then we were asked or coerced into unlearning those principles, going back to the old ways.
some of us never readjusted, finding ourselves very different from our more hardline compadres.. the inertia for the changes that eventually were initiated in the congregations came from the discovery that the greek words episkopos and presbyteros were used biblically to refer to all qualified men in a congregation, not just one.
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lumberjack
I think these matters are not so dramatic as first Christians were going through, also I think nowadays conventions and all other structures or bodies are little bit far from these first Christians had, maybe it's because of differences is environments, cultures, goals etc., anyway considerable changes existed even than. If we follow example of Christ, there is certainly nothing wrong about it. -
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Do you prefer your native language or what is the most accurate, close to the original?
I think both have something to it, even localized ones, though they can contain words which just strike me in the eyes, but as long as God's world is living there, and also having ability to test and compare, that I think is really good. Thanks to JW Library and to the other tools. -
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Infighting at the top?
by JeffT inwe've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the watchtower organization.
clearly, the game's afoot, we just don't know what game we're playing.
item: the constant harping about money and donations.
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I don't care so much who's running what, as long as I get all that service or provisions I am getting. -
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Infighting at the top?
by JeffT inwe've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the watchtower organization.
clearly, the game's afoot, we just don't know what game we're playing.
item: the constant harping about money and donations.
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lumberjack
I say lets not judge, and especially things we have not seen for ourselves.
I got no warning for leaving my money here or there, why not divide them? I think what matters more is our motive. And God will certainly handle according to his prophecies.
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How far will they go?
by careful ini've been drawing back lately and looking at the big picture going on in the org, somewhat like slimboyfat has also been doing, but i am wondering about different possibilities.
so the current gb has modernized recently in various ways.
they have done a strong and sudden about-face regarding the electronic world, from viewing the whole thing suspiciously and condemning bros. use tablets from the platform to suddenly embracing them and causing the r&f to do so to such a degree that old ones are spending hundreds of dollars to buy devices that they have no clue how to use; they have heavily embraced this media for their message, very much like the churches have been doing for years, especially with their jw broadcasting and their caleb and sophia animations.
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lumberjack
@careful You complain about modernization and being too conservative at same time? I think conservatism is way to go, but where it only matters. I don't know what's this worldly way in music for example.
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Why John 2:22 says: he was raised?
Maybe he was talking about rising it up, from flesh into spirit? Like what's more in connection to some temple?
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@Finkelstein you mean i.e. this passage?
And as to His having raised Him from among the dead, never again to be in the position of one soon to return to decay, He speaks thus: 'I will give you the holy and trustworthy promises made to David.'
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lumberjack
Ideas?