Posts by Celestial

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"You will be objects of hatred "a reasonable understanding

by luap in

indeed thats just what witnesses are.

everyone hates them.

is there any other group in "christendom "that are hated as much as these.?

Celestial

diamondiiz said;

"These programmed ones also too stupid to realize that people dislike the twisted, lying deceptive organization and not general JWs! But if we must speak of these lovely people in general, why is there so many problems with depression, suicide, child abuse and others hidden crimes all within the congregations? Very lovely world they would create, I would propose taking all these people and placing them on the island all on their own and see how long they would survive without everything the hard working society provides for these people who are leeches on the system."

I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses that has suffered a loss of spirituality. I'm not “suicidal” but I'm currently inactive and somewhat depressed. I started participating on this forum because it looked interesting, but some of the things I've read ranging from mockery and ridicule to shock treatment is false and/or contains some holes, is contradictory or is unsubstantiated. Some of the information is somewhat interesting provided you isolate the duplicity.

False:

"see how long they would survive without everything the hard working society provides for these people who are leeches on the system"

I've come across an occasional congregation member that was a mooch (they're flagged and avoided), but I've always known congregation members to be hard working and self-sufficient.

Contradictory:

You stated;

“problems with depression, suicide, child abuse and others hidden crimes all within the congregations”

The problem of crime within the congregation, hidden or exposed substantiates the disfellowshipping arrangement although this thread depicts the disfellowshipping arrangement as a precursor to suicide:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/221220/1/Suicide-How-many-do-you-know-within-the-JWs

Mockery and ridicule:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/221710/1/I-cant-believe-it-but-a-kid-got-marked-for-having-worldy-friends

I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I'm 38. In that time frame, I've never heard of something this absurd from the podium at a Kingdom Hall so I questioned it. I asked the author of the opening post what congregation this took place in. He or she would not say.

In this thread...

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/221690/1/Social-networks-a-huge-no-from-the-service-meetings

...the only individuals that can listen to the meetings using telecommunications are those that have some sort of physical condition that prevents them from attending. The elders don't “block” anyone indisposed from listening in.

Unsubstantiated shock advertising:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/221719/1/Read-a-story-of-child-neglect-and-abuse-among-JWs-in-S-Africa-that-was-sent-to-me

This type of propaganda may poison the minds of those that respond to this information by absorbing messages quickly and accepting them without questioning or analyzing them. I may be inactive as a JW, but I don't stand by propaganda that promotes hatred for ethnic or religious minorities.

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Whitney Houston died today

by mrsjones5 in

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Celestial

For someone who's songs were so full of “hope and dignity,” her personal life was most uninspirational (cocaine addict) like many other burned out pop-stars. It's better to listen to music that's more fit for our generation. It conveys a warning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKJYCHnrlTE

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I can't believe it, but a kid got marked for having worldy friends.

by Knowsnothing in

it's true.

last night, a kid got marked for having worldy friends.

the usual no friendship with the world texts made its way in.

Celestial

What congregation was it?

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Clear distinction of people on JWN

by cptkirk in

this has been an interesting science project to say the least.

here is what i have learned:.

you have about 6 types of people posting on jwn, they all fit into a profile.. #1 you have people like me that ran the race, exemplified conduct while in the jw cult and learned through observation that there was a severe disconnect between truth, and the jw cult's statements.

Celestial

Is there a "Clear distinction of people on JWN" with JWs on Facebook?

That's my question. After reading some of the threads/posts on this forum, I wonder how many here have a Facebook page with active JWs on it. I have hundreds of people on my Facebook friend's list. A good number of those individuals were once one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but left the organization. Differences relative to JWs were obviously put aside to connect as mutual friends.

I can actually demonstrate/link hundreds of Facebook pages of Jehovah's Witnesses with former members of the faith as friends. However, reading some of these threads/posts on this forum leaves me with the impression that some differences may be irreconcilable. It may be that virtually anyone can connect in the artificial world of cyberspace with little or no common ground. But there are real people (or should be) behind Facebook accounts (especially when they have their actual face for an avatar).

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Should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

by Celestial in

should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

there's plenty of evidence that tobacco has cancer causing agents and can thus be deemed a defilement of the flesh.. .

therefore, since we have these promises, beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in gods fear.

Celestial

I don't think marijuana should be illegal, nor should its use be a DFing offense. But I'm a dirty hippie at heart, even though I've been drug free for well over a decade.

Well, I've been drug-free since '89. I just experimented with drugs. I was never a “junkie.”

I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and had this incessant urge to party with the “worldly” kids at school at the age of sixteen.

That's all I knew is what I was taught as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I know quite a few young people raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses that went crazy on their parents. That's what happens when you keep someone in a cage for too long. They become attracted to the wrong crowd.

True story: the sixth time I did acid, when I came home from a party, I started looking at some Watchtower and Awake! magazines and went on a bad trip. I started seeing hallucinations of armageddon and destruction. It was the most terrifying thing I ever experienced.

It was just a drug induced illusion that seemed real at the time. It's actually pretty funny when I look back on it because I frantically told my parents about my experience that morning and they freaked out and called the elders. As I was coming down off acid, I had the elders telling me I was bringing Satan into the house by using drugs.

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How many people on here have low self-esteem?

by Chemical Emotions in

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i do, so i was just curious.. i know the org tends to attract/cause/contribute to people having low self-esteem, so i figure a lot of people must have it as bad or worse than me..

Celestial

Technically, yes, I am. I am waiting for the right time to get out. I do not want to hurt anyone if at all possible, so I need to find the right time to leave completely.

If you weren’t love bombed and there was something more genuine to your “Christian brotherhood” that's worthy of your careful consideration, that's your deal.

My meeting was this evening and I stayed home and watched violent R-rated movies. It never even occurred to me that I may of hurt someone's feelings.

If I go to the meetings, it's for myself. Pleasing others is trivial.

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How many people on here have low self-esteem?

by Chemical Emotions in

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friends

i do, so i was just curious.. i know the org tends to attract/cause/contribute to people having low self-esteem, so i figure a lot of people must have it as bad or worse than me..

Celestial

I do, so I was just curious.

I know the Org tends to attract/cause/contribute to people having low self-esteem, so I figure a lot of people must have it as bad or worse than me.

Are you in the organization now?

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Should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

by Celestial in

should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

there's plenty of evidence that tobacco has cancer causing agents and can thus be deemed a defilement of the flesh.. .

therefore, since we have these promises, beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in gods fear.

Celestial

I watched a documentary on marijuana once. It said Nixon was recorded to have said that his biggest fear over the use of it was that young people were gathering in groups, being rebellious and discussing IDEAS---and finding they disagreed with the establishment.

Now if there is any truth to this, it's easy to understand why this would freak out the GB. It wouldn't be good for followers to lower their inhibitions and allow their minds to travel forbidden roads. Not good at all.

NC

The "war on drugs" was initiated by Nixon in 1971 largely because of the hippie movement. Then Nixon initiated the DEA in 1973.

He waged one war in Vietnam and one war at home against the peace-loving rebels the government spawned in retaliation to that war.

I haven't smoked any weed since 1989 (I'm 38) which is actually a good thing, because I likely wouldn't be where I am now if I did, career wise.

Most adults with phenomenal mental-health don't contemplate the use of mind-altering chemicals. It's not related to the congregation, but I've encountered some things recently that had an adverse effect on me that brought back to mind some of my past experiences.

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Should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

by Celestial in

should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

there's plenty of evidence that tobacco has cancer causing agents and can thus be deemed a defilement of the flesh.. .

therefore, since we have these promises, beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in gods fear.

Celestial

"That was the word I received recently. Prescription and no smoking means they can't touch you"

I guess all I need is a herbal vaporizer and a prescription.

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Should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

by Celestial in

should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense?

there's plenty of evidence that tobacco has cancer causing agents and can thus be deemed a defilement of the flesh.. .

therefore, since we have these promises, beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in gods fear.

Celestial

Should marijuana be considered a disfellowshipping offense? There's plenty of evidence that tobacco has cancer causing agents and can thus be deemed a “defilement of the flesh.”

Therefore, since we have these promises, beloved ones, let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in God’s fear. 2 Corinthians 7:1

This is not so of marijuana. Recent scientific studies show that marijuana in no way adversely effects the lungs, mind or body.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/19/study-marijuana-not-linked-with-long-term-cognitive-impairment/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57356379-10391704/is-smoking-marijuana-bad-for-your-lungs/

The truth of the matter is hydrocodone (a synthetic opioid) is not a disfellowshipping offense. So, I went to a pill mill and got a bottle of Vicodin a few weeks ago and went through the whole bottle with a clean conscience. I wouldn't buy anymore because it's unforgiving if you get addicted to the stuff. Marijuana doesn't have the addicting properties that opiate based painkillers have.