That is what religion does -- it gives people "HOPE" -- even if nothing tangible ever proves true.
Yes and this is better than no hope. I’m agnostic about the Bibles promises but I have hope that atheists don’t have.
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Enjoy hope without disappointment
by Mikejw intodays watchtower is very interesting on many levels.
they know that millions are disappointed.. https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=e&prefer=lang&docid=2023681.
i also found it interesting they talk about brother fred franz and show his picture.
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Enjoy hope without disappointment
by Mikejw intodays watchtower is very interesting on many levels.
they know that millions are disappointed.. https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=e&prefer=lang&docid=2023681.
i also found it interesting they talk about brother fred franz and show his picture.
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Mikejw
Todays watchtower is very interesting on many levels. They know that millions are disappointed.
https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=2023681
I also found it interesting they talk about brother fred franz and show his picture. Do they think most JWs today don’t know or forgot about the other brother Ray Franz his relative who wrote the book crisis of conscience?
I find the subject of hope without disappointment fascinating. I’m physically in mentally agnostic. I still have hope in the Bibles promises but I don’t think JWs interpretation is correct.
So I think it is possible to have hope and still be agnostic this way you will be far less disappointed than PIMIs
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Mikejw
Wally here correctly points out how wrong Lloyd is saying that this new light about last min door of opportunity is a nothing burger.
https://youtu.be/YChE26l95cg?si=NS9Y7NG2SQV_F_LF
I suspect Lloyd is so late to the party as usual he thought he would say it’s a nothing burger because everyone else who is exjw commenter is jumping on this.
Wally is correct it’s huge. You can sit back and wait to see if JWs were right then the door is still open.
How on Earth can Lloyd say this is a nothing burger
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Mikejw
There is no way he could ever go back to JWs there is absolutely no way they would ever approve him back. He could come to meetings as a disfellowshipped person indefinitely but the CO would never ever sign off he is repentant the branch would make sure of that.
How do you know his sister is on benefits?
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Mikejw
Redsetter welcome, yes this place is much better than Reddit.
Could you please PM me a copy of the letter as It’s not very good quality that picture you posted.
I’m a PIMA elder who was not allowed to go to last two elders schools as I’m not vaccinated. The weekend school and the week long school 8am to 5pm kingdom ministry school I had to answer the question please confirm that you are fully vaccinated.
I asked what does that mean and nobody really knows the right answer. Some said you have to keep up-to date with boosters. I said I’m not comfortable sharing private medical information.
I pushed and pushed that I shouldn’t have to answer that question but in the end I was not allowed to attend unless I did share private medical information. This is medical discrimination.
Latest KM school in London was only recently and apparently so I hear there were still some elders unvaccinated who were not allowed to go. So I wonder if all COs have got this letter or maybe only very recently?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Mikejw
was an incredibly foolish move to sue and esp in the manner he did - all bells and whistles, making all sorts of threats. Hardly anyone bought it, and it hasn’t had the desired effect of scaring people off from talking about him, making videos and what not.
He can never again threaten legal action he has lost all credibility. Nobody bought it last time and nobody will ever buy it ever again.
Even if someone did genuinely make something up that genuinely was slander, if you look at his reputation now he would not be able to deny or defend against it. Because he denies things which we know are true.
His best bet now is quietly fade away. He has to get a job cleaning toilets or some other job in Croatia that doesn’t require speaking the language.
Or move back to the UK and claim benefits but he hasn’t been paying into the system for most of his life so I don’t know how that would work.
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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?
by Vanderhoven7 inaccording to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.
the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?
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So do they claim all first century Christians were anointed? And some came along the first day and these were chosen to be kings and priests?
it’s a rubbish system, depending on when you were born depends if you live on Earth or be a spiritual king for all eternity
there were definitely more than 144k back then alone. Then we are told that god has been choosing different ones throughout the millenniums, and tens of thousands more in modern times
something doesn’t add up
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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”
by FFGhost inso, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
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When it first got leaked there was a lot of speculation about rank and file being shocked.
Now it’s out there for all to see what is the reaction to them saying they may be wrong about things but will not apologise?
what is the reaction to the last minute door of opportunity even after the great tribulation?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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It’s a good point, if a foreign person comes here to my country and doesn’t bother to learn the language after 15yrs how could they start a court case and expect it to be in their language?
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Black penis and other subliminal messages on song book
by Mikejw ini’m sure this has been covered in the past but there are a lot of videos appearing lately bringing this up again.. this chap phoned bethel in london about it and as soon as he said song book the service desk said i’m hanging up now.
they obviously know about it.. https://youtu.be/0dn-gj73r5u?si=ao4cd-0rpg7rv3ws.
so was there some pimos in the art department or was it more sinister and this organisation wanted to but pedo messages on the song book a bit like the demonic hand in the rev book?.
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What are the latest subliminal messages?
Forgive me I don’t know what you are talking about?