ok i don't mean to put all of them into just one box so to speak, their are some that are smart successful etc.
but my god most of them are just wasted space, ignorant, no drive, horrible jobs, make nothing for income and the only thing in life they have going for them is this title.
no wonder so many will not wake up and hold on to this stupid cult, it's all they have.
I think that's probably a little unfair.
There's a fair percentage that like the sound of their own voice and love to lord it over the common publisher but there's (at least there used to be) a good number who are very sincere and are in it for what they believe are the right reasons.
i remember going out with other jws after the memorial.. small gatherings.. picnics at some local landmark.. the feeling of closeness, camaraderie, friendship with like minded people you could trust.. haven't experienced it since i left.. really miss that..
Hi DJS,
Interesting that you agree with the JWs that worship of the state is a religion. I know several Marxists who would take issue with you on that.
However, out of curiosity, which country today do you consider most secular and atheist in which the population is the most happy?
I think you can take it most western countries, with the exception of the US, are fairly atheist. The UK certainly is despite queenie being head of the c of e.
i remember going out with other jws after the memorial.. small gatherings.. picnics at some local landmark.. the feeling of closeness, camaraderie, friendship with like minded people you could trust.. haven't experienced it since i left.. really miss that..
I think that the feeling of solidarity has to do with elitism
I think there's a lot of truth in that, especially amongst a subset of brothers. The witnesses do tend to attract people (elders) who like to lord it over others, be a big fish in a small pool and they do have a whiff of elitism around them. Not true of them all but from memory, definitely true of a significant proportion.
1: where the "f" are you, since there are no signs of your existence?.
2: why did you "create" life forms that by default hate to follow what your rules.. 3:.
from what i read in the bible, why are you such a petulant, vengeful, bi-polar nut who seems to only look for flesh and spirit to kiss you enormous godly ass?.
Who created you?
The often overlooked question.
JW: look how wonderful and complex life is, it must have had a creator.
Normal person: so any complex lifeform must have had a creator?
JW: well, yes, of course.
Normal person: ok, so.....who created God then?
if this has been discussed i missed it.
i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.
but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.
So is the 144k not the fds any more? Is the fds just the GB?
Judging by the rate of increase all 144k should be back on the earth in another 25 years.
i remember going out with other jws after the memorial.. small gatherings.. picnics at some local landmark.. the feeling of closeness, camaraderie, friendship with like minded people you could trust.. haven't experienced it since i left.. really miss that..
So morality can only come from religion?
hmmm....
science.. landed a probe on a comet, found liquid water on mars and successfully completed a ten year mission to pluto.. developed the first successful vaccine against ebola, discovered another human species in homo naledi, developed cancer killing molecules and high intensity ultrasound therapies which avoid surgery and leave healthy cells alone.
successfully mapped the human epigenome and developed the gene editing tool crispr, it's potential for medical and agricultural advance is staggering!.
found a way to produce graphene for a 1000th of the previous cost, developed cheap and sustainable methods to supply clean drinking water where water borne infections have been killing thousands, scaled up production of clean, renewable energy.. there's loads more, please feel free to add to the list.. .
Slim - just come back to this but others have pretty much covered it.
If we look to sky fairies to explain what we don't understand then we will never try to explain it for ourselves. And that is a bad thing.
to all congregations.
re: new songs for memorial.
dear brothers:.
i don't know if i can put my musings clearly into words , but i' ll try to be coherant !
on a couple of other threads lately folk have said that they have no wish to disenchant jws who are happy in the org .
those who have no personal problems and are content to stay in , thinking that it is good way to live and the nearest thing to the truth .
You are correct with this statement BUT, the Governing Body). These are the ones chosen by Jehovahs Holy spirit, correct? Jehovah chooses these ones to direct the sheep but some are living a double life
Yep, there is an elder in our old cong that's just been done for some seriously nasty stuff on his pc. Googling his name led me here fwiw.
Strangely enough, none of my 'worldly' mates have ever been done for that. Quelle surprise.
john 8.58 is one of those scriptures which translators often mis-translate.. i am aware this text is defended with passion either way by its advocates.
many insist the "i am" rendering found in many versions is correct.
others defend the "i have been" or "i was" readings of other versions.
Wonderment - you either have far too much time on your hands or you need to get a life.
There's a big world out there. Go see some of it.
