Landy

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  Goodbye friends

  by Freeandclear in

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  i'm not killing myself lol i just wanted to say a short goodbye.

  i'm not leaving forever, i'm sure i'll pop in here and there but for the most part i haven't felt the need to check in here as often as i used to so i thought i'd say so long.

  this journey we're all on (life) and trying to make sense of it all is a very personal one.

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  Landy

  Personally I've never understood the need to make dramatic goodbye threads and would never indulge int the practice myself.

  < Cough....splutter>

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  Don't Feel Like I Have Much In Common With Anyone I Know

  by JW_Rogue in

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  2. experiences

  went out with my family and all they talked about was how terrible trump is and how he'll surely bring the great tribulation.

  then they started going on about people supporting trump showing that america is becoming racist.

  i don't consider myself a trump supporter but i disagreed that that was the reason why he won.

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  Remember... the cry of "peace and security!" before the end. So.... they must feel Trump is going to bring about peace and security if they think the end is near.

  When I see that I always think of the assembly in, I think 85. 1986 was declared by the UN as the year of Peace & security and they were ever so excited!
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

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  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Why would anyone stand around wondering if the police should be called when a child has been victimized?

  When they're not children any more?
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Interesting choice for scenarios, very odd choices. These seem a bit leading

  I made those choices because some of them need to consider what the victim actually wants to happen as well as the difficult choices they bring with regard to safeguarding.

  What needs to happen with straightforward cases of abuse of a small child is just that, straightforward. In a procedural sense if not a human one.

  Even those who say the police should be called regardless of what the victim wants haven't broached the sticky subject of what (if anything) the elders should do to safeguard the other children once the police have no further actioned the case.
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  In addition the society should establish an independent contact point, as many churches have done

  That's too sensible an idea - it will never catch on.

  For all those (probably including me) who are advocating that the police should be called in all circumstances are we ok with the thought that in some cases this may ride roughshod over the rights of the victim?
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  In cases where an adult alleges a crime that occurred when he/she was a minor, same principle, It is up to the adult to determine if he/she wishes to press charges. But if the alleged perpetrator is still a danger to the community, the elders should inform the accuser that they will go to the police

  This. Only took 4 pages to get there!
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  Fair enough - so you would call the police against the wishes of an adult who wants to report it to the elders.

  FWIW - I agree - I don't think the elders have any right to investigate child abuse and certainly not to question the victim in anyway.

  Once the allegation is made how would you handle safeguarding?

  In the environment you keep referring to it's the say as you just suspend the individual concerned - that's more difficult in a religious organisation.
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  First off can you READ!!! I said at least TWICE now the Certified Adult Volunteer immediately notifies the police or the authorities!!! We do not leave it up to the victim or the victims family to do this.

  So the elders should contact the police? Regardless of the victim's age and wishes?

  If you go through each scenario and highlight your course of action it would be easier for me to grasp.
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  Read my first post again. No where did I say to advise the victim or victims parents to go the police.

  Ok, so you wouldn't go to the police and you wouldn't want the elders to investigate it.

  Which begs the question, how would you handle it? To be frank you seem very big on rhetoric but you haven't come up with a course of action you would recommend for any of the scenarios mentioned.
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  The police know how to investigate and how to deal with victims the Elders know NOTHING!!!

  So your recommendation would be that the victim/victim's family should be advised to go to the police. If they choose not to then no other action should be taken?

  How will that course safeguard other children in the hall?