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  She was a fine sister

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  she was a fine sister with a history that went back six generations with jehovahs witnesses.

  her family boasted well over 1000 jw family members, many of which had high station within the organization.

  this proud heritage was marred by another fact in the familys history this sister had not disclosed.

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  Landy

  Hi Oletta - interesting first post. Welcome to the site, pop over to the introductions section and say hello.
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  Yes DD it's a serious thread. The WTS are rightly criticised for their appalling handling of safeguarding issues. There may be evidence to show they are getting better - I'm not sure.

  But if we're given a clean piece of paper to rewrite their safeguarding policies, what would we put in place?

  I was hoping for some cohesive rational thinking and so far Sir82 has come the closest to my way of thinking.

  That said it still leaves two areas I'm uncomfortable with;

  1) Are we willing to go to the authorities when the victim is now an adult and wants no part of it?

  2) What procedures do we put in place to protect the kids in the congregation if the evidence is minimal and the police have decided that no further action is possible?
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  Goodbye friends

  by Freeandclear in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not killing myself lol i just wanted to say a short goodbye.

  i'm not leaving forever, i'm sure i'll pop in here and there but for the most part i haven't felt the need to check in here as often as i used to so i thought i'd say so long.

  this journey we're all on (life) and trying to make sense of it all is a very personal one.

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  Landy

  Personally I've never understood the need to make dramatic goodbye threads and would never indulge int the practice myself.

  < Cough....splutter>

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  Don't Feel Like I Have Much In Common With Anyone I Know

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  went out with my family and all they talked about was how terrible trump is and how he'll surely bring the great tribulation.

  then they started going on about people supporting trump showing that america is becoming racist.

  i don't consider myself a trump supporter but i disagreed that that was the reason why he won.

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  Landy

  Remember... the cry of "peace and security!" before the end. So.... they must feel Trump is going to bring about peace and security if they think the end is near.

  When I see that I always think of the assembly in, I think 85. 1986 was declared by the UN as the year of Peace & security and they were ever so excited!
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  Why would anyone stand around wondering if the police should be called when a child has been victimized?

  When they're not children any more?
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  Interesting choice for scenarios, very odd choices. These seem a bit leading

  I made those choices because some of them need to consider what the victim actually wants to happen as well as the difficult choices they bring with regard to safeguarding.

  What needs to happen with straightforward cases of abuse of a small child is just that, straightforward. In a procedural sense if not a human one.

  Even those who say the police should be called regardless of what the victim wants haven't broached the sticky subject of what (if anything) the elders should do to safeguard the other children once the police have no further actioned the case.
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  In addition the society should establish an independent contact point, as many churches have done

  That's too sensible an idea - it will never catch on.

  For all those (probably including me) who are advocating that the police should be called in all circumstances are we ok with the thought that in some cases this may ride roughshod over the rights of the victim?
  
  
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  In cases where an adult alleges a crime that occurred when he/she was a minor, same principle, It is up to the adult to determine if he/she wishes to press charges. But if the alleged perpetrator is still a danger to the community, the elders should inform the accuser that they will go to the police

  This. Only took 4 pages to get there!
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  Fair enough - so you would call the police against the wishes of an adult who wants to report it to the elders.

  FWIW - I agree - I don't think the elders have any right to investigate child abuse and certainly not to question the victim in anyway.

  Once the allegation is made how would you handle safeguarding?

  In the environment you keep referring to it's the say as you just suspend the individual concerned - that's more difficult in a religious organisation.
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  The handling of child abuse allegations

  by Landy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

  but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

  there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

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  Landy

  First off can you READ!!! I said at least TWICE now the Certified Adult Volunteer immediately notifies the police or the authorities!!! We do not leave it up to the victim or the victims family to do this.

  So the elders should contact the police? Regardless of the victim's age and wishes?

  If you go through each scenario and highlight your course of action it would be easier for me to grasp.