Posts by Landy

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I am giving everyone on the board...

by The Rebel in

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a new commadment to the posting guidelines.

we must love one another.. if i read the posting guidelines and saw the lurking presence of that new commadment " we must love one another" i would feel very uneasy about registering.

it sounds more like a threat than an expression of love.

Landy

I think there's a rule about posting gibberish as well.

Just sayin ....

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Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

by slimboyfat in

i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

i quote both passages without comment.

Landy

Yes, I don't think it's ever been a secret that the concentration camps were known about - despite what the Awake says.

i haven't read Rees' new one but I have got his Auschwitz - The Nazis and the final solution and it's really good.

if you've never been to Auschwitz and Birkenau and you get the chance you should go. It's a place that should never be forgotten.

Krakow is a beautiful city and well worth a visit and Schindler's museum is there as well.

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Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

by slimboyfat in

i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

i quote both passages without comment.

Landy

My understanding, which could be mistaken, is that they didn't hide the concentration camps but they did hide their extermination facilities.

This is the main reason they destroyed the gas chambers when they fled Birkenau after the russians liberated it.

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Or was it Designed???

by Slidin Fast in

awake!

1 2017 says on its back page.

the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

Landy

What do you think? Did the compound heat shield of the Saharan silver ant come about by evolution? Or was it designed?

I think it's an excellent example of an evolutionary adaption to a particular environment.

i don't they could have picked a worse example to try to disprove evolution

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Another Young JW dead during childbirth

by Lee Elder in

the latest young jehovah's witness mother to die in childbirth by following the terrible medical advice of watchtower writers.. https://www.niyitabiti.net/2017/02/nigerian-jehovah-witness-allegedly-dies-of-excess-bleeding-during-child-birth-because-church-doesnt-permit-blood-transfusion/.

Landy

Am I missing something here?
To all those doubting the validity of this story saying it's a facebook story, when I click it takes me to a Nigerian news website.
Again, am I missing something?

Because the only source the newspaper references is a single FB post - there's a pic of the post in the article.

I'm now at the stage where I'm extremely sceptical of any 'news' on the internet unless it's from a verifiable reputable source.

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Watchtower No.3 2017 - The Four Horesmen

by pale.emperor in

this is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.

although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.

1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?

Landy

This is the first time I've read through a Watchtower magazine in about a year.

Based on the WT that got stuffed through our door a couple months back it won't have taken long - there was only about 5 pages in it!

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Leaving a small minority group.....

by The Rebel in

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has a profound influence on our life.

on the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in.

however as i slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, i also learnt i am simply an ordinary person.

Landy

So why the runt, I am happy today, I live with my wonderful wife and child, I no longer live in the past. Well I just wanted to to post another great reason to leave the "Watchtower mentality" which is simply the healthy perspective it can give a person with their new outlook on life on humanity. The very humanity as Witnesses we are taught to despise.

Yeah, I found that as well. Plus when we decided not to go anymore (we'd been hit and miss for a while) it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders. I no longer felt guilty on a Thursday night or Sunday morning. I found myself a lot less judgemental and more empathetic towards people. Everything started to make sense (evolution was right, the earth's historical timeline, etc) and I realised that I was never convinced by the creationist claptrap. All in all it was a revelation.

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Stephanie Fessler v Watch Tower - Trial on Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2017 in Pennsylvania

by AndersonsInfo in

http://avoidjw.org/2017/02/stephanie-fessler-v-watch-tower/.

stephanie fessler v watch tower.

stephanie fessler was brought up as a jehovah’s witness by her parents, jodee and kevin.

Landy

Pennsylvania Family Support Alliance - Mandated Reporters

Penalties for Willful Failure to Report

Willful failure to report (having a reasonable suspicion of abuse and deciding not to report it) may be punished. The penalties for failure to report have been increased under the new CPSL amendments.

The first offense of willful failure to report is a second degree misdemeanor. Penalties are increased to a third degree felony if the mandated reporter willfully fails to report child abuse that is a felony of the first degree or higher and the mandated reporter has direct knowledge of the nature of the abuse. For multiple offenses, a felony of the third degree is committed, increasing if the abuse of the child is a felony of the first degree or higher.

If willful failure to report continues, while the mandated reporter knows or has reasonable cause to believe the child is being actively abused, the offense is considered a first degree misdemeanor except when the abuse to the child constitutes a felony of the first degree or higher. In this instance the penalty is a felony of the third degree.

http://www.pa-fsa.org/Mandated-Reporters/Understanding-Mandated-Reporting/Penalties-for-Failing-to-Report

we can but hope!

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The handling of child abuse allegations

by Landy in

there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

Landy

Mandatory reporting should be followed. When parents won't go to police, elders should explain that mandatory reporting protects other children.

Absolutely. 100% of the time.

Adults that don't want to face this from their past should know that elders still must report for the safety of others. If local law prohibits elders from revealing (alledged) victim names, then they report w/o the names.

Struggling with this one. I fail to see what it would accomplish. I'm not even sure the police would accept the complaint (in the uk anyway) if it didn't originate from the victim and the victim wasn't willing to be involved. The elders would still be left with the situation of a) whether to believe it and b) how to protect the other children in the cong.

If experts interview victims and perpetrators, congregations can disfellowship based on such interviews or court outcomes. They may legally be bound in many jurisdictions not to announce names. They should at least remind the congregation never to leave their child in the care of other congregatoin members without being sure about them.

Again, absolutely yes.

I know you are trying to push these examples to the point where there is no proper way to "handle" them. There are often difficult situations, but Watchtower rules make matters worse and even start at a problem.

Yes, I am. As I've said before, the worst cases are often the easiest on a procedural level if not a human one. It's the case where there's difficult decisions to make that are the hardest and easiest to get wrong. And yes, they do. Especially the two witness rule they have. Although we have to keep in mind that even in law a case is much stronger if there are multiple complainants.

A good example is the recent case in Guisborough. If there was a single complaint I doubt the CPS would have touched it without compelling evidence. Once other victims came forward however, it made the case a slam dunk.

Victims should never have to face the perpetrator under the direction of elders. Any such action with authorities is only done with social experts.

Absolutely. I've heard stories of young girls being quizzed by a body of elders in a JC before, or even made to face their abuser. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen anymore.

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The handling of child abuse allegations

by Landy in

there's a lot of criticism surrounding the jw's handling of chiild abuse within their ranks with a lot of it being well deserved.

but i'm interested to know how people on here think child abuse allegations should be handled.

there's a few scenarios below, the first couple are easy then it gets a bit more complex.

Landy

I think many here, similar to me, are done responding to you.

And as regards that it appears that most of the posters on here with a brain (which I used to think included me), including Simon, are refusing to go anywhere near this or LITS and her emotionally exploitational like farming with a shitty stick (cue another bullying thread from her).