Posts by pomegranate

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

It's difficult to me to see Jah given animals for eat to Noah in a methaforic way, if eating meat was intrinsec a moral sin, anyway ...

Isn't Sin defined by what God says it is and what it isn't? There is nothing I know of in the Book that says meat eating was a sin. I would imagine that someone raised to adulthood on a vegetarian diet would have a very difficult time taking that first big bite of meat...

But do you really believes that Jesus was vegetarian ?

No I do not. He was as much as Jew as the ones around him, and they ate meat. Lamb for passover...Jesus would have partaken because that was LAW. He did what the LAW said.

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

1. Didn't Satan win? I mean according to your interpretation, only people that believe in the Bible and see Jesus as the Messiah (and have no doubts), etc. will be saved correct? Well, most people living and that have ever lived were not Christians or believed in the Bible (or have doubts), so Satan has the majority; I would think that he proved his point, that more will follow him and not the Creator. Or do you still take the JW viewpoint that says that humans have proven that they cannot rule themselves, so that means Satan was wrong?

The way it's in my head, Satan lost the split second God found him out. God knew that, Satan didn't. The rest of the time, was God going through the motions of the plan which was set in place faster than the speed of light, unbeknownst to Satan. Some of that plan was a very harsh rebuking of sorts, as God STEPPED through creation, a "day" at a time, showing Satan what a true God could really do, in contrast to his wimpy, "WE ARE GODS, WE DO WHAT WE WANT" defiant creation. Each day was punctuated with an ending of light...because at the start of each day was Satan barking like a mad dog, "ALL YOU FREEKIN DO IS CREATE BAD STUFF."

"First there was evening" (Satan spewing BAD about God and claiming GOOD about himself and the demons) "then there was morning" (God showiing off his creative GENIUS again, eliminating the DARK (Satan's lie, I am God too) with PROOF of who really was a TRUE GOD. So it went, each and every creative "day."

Surely God could have just ZAPPED everything into place as it was with one fell swoop, without the LABOR of producing the varieties of LIFE we see now and even more so in the fossil record. LIFE in it's INFINITE variety was in itself a slap in the face of the false god by the true God...God says it's Good. Satan says it's Bad. God says I CREATE LIVING THINGS. Satan says FU God.

I could possibly accept that Satan lost if it means that all good people, even the ones that doubt or have other religions are counted as God's people and not Satan's.

Who is counted as God's GOOD people has nothing to do with the one who may be counted as such. Each person has no say in their salvation, it is God who dictates who shall live and who shall die by the standard that He has determined as being Just and Right.

You must realize what GOOD the above does to a man (or woman). You are RELEASED from anything that enslaves you under the cloak of religion. There is NOTHING you or I can do by our own power to warrant God choosing us, no matter WHAT a man made religion may require of you. God chooses according to his own good will and pleasure, and that cannot be denied.

One thing that always bothered me about JWs was that they said that no matter how good a person is (no fornication, giving to the needy, etc) they wouldn't be saved unless they were Christian.

JW's are not "Christians" as they deny Christ as being God like Father. But...

Stinky, at what point in time does that BELIEVING have to occur? Say, a person doesn't believe in the past or presently right up to the end, but the moment Christ returns at the end of the age, CHRIST MAKES THAT ONE BELIEVE THEN AND THERE just like he made the Apostle Paul believe in the FLASH OF A LIGHT. Wait on God.

It has happened that way. It does happen that way. And it will happen that way again.

2. Since God made humans to challenge Satan, did he already know we were going to fail?

Remove any JW scales you may have left on your eyes from the past. Throw off all preconceived notions about God and read this VERY CLEAR and precise all encompassing passage, then you tell me, OK?

Heb 4:13
13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Do you think the fall of Adam and Eve was hidden from God's sight in light of the above? Remember after Adam and Eve sinned they felt a marked nakedness? They then understood the real deal as written above in Heb 4:13, along with the shame of being disobedient.

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

why do we have immune systems?

So that the eventual defiled and corrupted being could live long enough for the Savior to come at the apointed time.

Without that DEFENSIVE design, offensive defilement would over take a species and KILL IT. That's what Satan wants. EVERYTHING DEAD.

We are designed to live just long enough for God's will and purpose to be full realized. He knows everything.

Edited by - pomegranate on 28 October 2002 14:55:1

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

Also, Iif we were supposed to be "perfect" & the fall was'nt supposed to happen, we would never get sick & die, why do we have immune systems? White blood cells, etc

We were perfect and still are perfect in regards to the purpose for which God made us. Mankind: A species created to fall and pass that inherited defective trait on to the next generation, binding man into sin, and stopping further NEW Satanic corruption. Defective mankind was the "perfect" delivery system (though crippled) for the PERFECT TOOL, Jesus Christ, to put an end to the Devil's work.

With God, out of the loins of something defiled and defective (which was God's will for it to happen) , comes something pure, clean undefiled and perfect. And Satan finds he can't defile it, SO HE KILLS IT, by the dingy children of his defilement, the Jews.

"IT" the TOOL, was Jesus, who WAS God in heaven before becoming a man. The one from the OT, whom Father handed over EVERYTHING since the advent of Satanic corruption. The Son has been in TOTAL charge from the beginning.

So Satan has NOW (since Jesus death) crossed over the line that makes HIM culpable for death himself. One who truly WAS God in heaven (before becoming a man), was murdered by one without authorization assumed Godship in heaven. A false God murdered by way of his defiled creation, crippled mankind, killed JESUS CHRIST.

Jesus Christ, the

That Law went straight INTO HEAVEN WITH CHRIST, and that LAW is now strung around Satan's neck as a noose. Satan is NOW bound by LAW, JUST AS WE, WHO WERE THE VICTIMS of defilement by Satan, have been BOUND by Law for millenia, then RELEASED by Christ, with the LAW becoming ALIVE in heaven with fingers around Satan's neck. LIFE FOR LIFE, as HE who FALSELY ASSUMED being God, has become GUILTY of murdering ONE WHO TRULY WAS GOD IN HEAVEN.

One who has NEVER been bound by Law, was outsmarted by the One who makes Law binding on ALL creation, by way of the ultimate sacrifice, Father giving up Son for death. Just so Satan could commit the crime that would make it JUSTIFIABLE for God to EXTERMINATE the evil BUG.

Father giving up Son for death. NOW THAT'S the ULTIMATE not fair.

Edited by - pomegranate on 28 October 2002 14:53:11

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

Have you considered that it wasn't God who created this earth?

Gen 1:1
1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

No I haven't.

That might explain why it is far from perfect.

Deut 32:4
4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect,
and all his ways are just.

The earth with the created Good and Bad physical things are perfect and just. It's the BAD spiritual defiance in heaven that God is not responsible for. As it is in heaven, so it is on earth, until the alotted time for disposal of the unclean thing that causes a stench to high heaven.

In John 1, it states that it was the Son who created all things.

Yep. That means the Son is the

If it was the Son in a separated state that might explain the absense of perfection.

Perfection is not absent in creation at all in my understanding, but I believe you have a truth in the Son being seperated from Father. A division that also was caused by Satan.

When Jesus was being tempted in the wilderness by Satan, Satan offered him all the Kingdoms of the earth. Jesus didn't challenge Satan's right to make the offer. He seemed to understand that it was Satan's territory.

Indeed, all of the offspring of Adam and Eve are sons of the Devil. Unless, unless God changes the bitter to sweet by His own decision.

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

Why did Jah told Noah that he coud ate animals after the flood ? As we know He could gave him manna or some food similar, but He authorice Noah to ate animals. If eat animal are a bad thing why did He authorice Noah, and why did this commandment was not changed by Jesus ?

I believe for a number of reasons. The main one being:

I believe it was more metaphor in relation to what Christ was to be in the future for those chosen. True food.

For Noah and following, it was animals, flesh consumed, blood pourd out. Over time in the Bible it went from a definition of not just any animal, but to the well known Lamb of the Passover.

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

God made animals to terrify and rip other animals apart.....or did he?

There is NO other God that can create life. ALL life from the flesh shredding T-Rex, to the lowly cuddly borrowing blind vole, ALL life in it's GOOD and (seemingly) BAD variety is from God. God created the physical world BOUND TO DEATH, because it would take a death, a very valuable death to UNBIND that which was made bound. In the physical world, all death gives life (though temporary, as it has to be done over and over again in a cycle) as FOOD or FERTILIZER.

The true FOOD had to come. FOOD and DRINK that need only be taken ONCE and for all...to impart the kind of life that food bent on death could never give. The eternal kind.

Satan is a faux god, BUT...a GOD JUST THE SAME.

Satan wanted to play the game of God...then the rules of God will apply...will the real God please stand up?

Satan, SIT DOWN. As a matter of fact, LIE DOWN. Wait, no, lie down in this deep hole....Get it?

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

I held my little aging dog on my lap and wondered why he must suffer from painful arthritis, disease and ultimately death. My heart ached for him and felt so saddened that he will not be with us much longer and wondered why he must suffer for the same things we supposedly suffer from because of "sin". It doesn't seem fair.

Your thoughts are valid as gold, and I believe your thoughts imitate God's feelings exactly. Death is NOT GOOD, even to the God that can undo it. He too feels the BAD in the death of each of his OWN DOMESTIC animals that falls unwillingly asleep into it...

No, it isn't fair...and it won't last forever.

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

Did Satan corrupt God's creation before A&E or did God make it that way?

Excellent question...

I believe Satan was defiling heaven, well before Adam and Eve by spreading the corruption of defiance to angels that would come in contact with Satan. I want to show you something else now...

God began SEGREGATING the defiled from the undefiled in heaven. As Satanic corruption was CONTAGIOUS like a disease/plague, God had to stop the Satanic Plague from defiling ALL of his heavenly Sons. Look differently now at this text:

Gen 1:3-5
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night."

This event above is BEFORE any physical light was created. Physical light was NOT created until day FOUR. So,the questions is, WHAT IS THIS "LIGHT." Well, I say there is two kinds of LIGHT, physical and spiritual. The LIGHT that was shown was NOT physical LIGHT it was spiritual LIGHT. It was a spirtual HAPPENING that caused a heavenly DIVISION / SEPERATION / SEGREATION from the LIGHT (God and Good Sons who were not infected) and the DARKNESS (Satan and his brood of infected FREEWILLERS.)

With ANY disease or SICKNESS you QUARATINE the disease so it DOES NOT SPREAD further. What you are witnessing in Genesis 1:3-5, is God PROTECTING his own by a divisional factor, a spiritual QUARANTINING of sorts.

The LIGHT of Genesis 1:3 can be further defined, and you will see more of this interesting puzzle I have been able to put together.

Edited by - pomegranate on 28 October 2002 10:55:6

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Can any believer answer this?

by LucidSky in

it was the point i decided to become agnostic.

i found my final stumbling block in my search for god.

i asked (myself as well as others): why would god create carnivorous animals before sin?

pomegranate

If we are promised the animals will one day stop eating each other, and yet will remain recognizable in their animal forms (i.e. lion and lamb, etc.), they why isn't it more than a little reasonable that in the Garden they didn't eat each other?

Well. let's consider this passage:

Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made.

First off God MADE WILD ANIMALS.

This is a metaphorical description of Satan the Devil using a snake as the simile. Notice it says the serpent was CRAFTY, more crafty than others? Well, in real life, what makes a real serpant CRAFTY? He slithers and sneaks up on his prey and NAILS them from behind. Please also note the phrase WILD ANIMALS. What makes ANY animal WILD? They BITE. They KILL. They shred their food to pieces...this mention of WILD ANIMALS was BEFORE Adam and Eve had done ANYTHING wrong...and it says GOD MADE THEM WILD.

There's something else. If the serpent is metaphor for Satan, then the WILD ANIMALS is certainly metaphor for his comrades, the demons. The Serpent and Wild Animals, in image and likeness of Satan and his buddies.

God created living things that annoy us...God was in an environment where living things were annoying him.

What Satan the Devil has caused to become, the God of the living can make undone...so, to me...I can endure and persevere. I now feel I know why everything is as it is...