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be it illegal to deny the holocaust?

by comforter in

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i hard something about this law about the holocaust?

aint it illegal to deny the holocaust in the united states government?

pomegranate

Pacifism has NEVER won a war.

Because pacifism never started a war. War mongers start wars. War mongers win wars. Leaving war mongers in power.

Its all great and dandy that Germ warefare, conentration camps, mass murders SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN but the FACT is that THEY DO and PACIFISM will never prevent that.

Pacifism is not a preventative for war, nor is it a winner of wars. It does not get involved in wars. There are no winners in war because there is ALWAYS WAR, all the time. Somewhere. It will never stop because men are born war mongers. That hate. They covet. They are jealous. They despise...War will never be won...at least by cheese cake man. He will do the grave dance until God says stop...till then, war will prevail WITH OR WITHOUT PASIFISM.

Keep your stinking wars and all your KILL KILL KILL rhetoric. You were born for it...go live it, and DIE FOR IT.

So, tell us all your great moments in the army Mr. 151 War man hero...tell us all your "gook" stories will ya? Big brave army man that would kill woman and children...Go police the nations and drop nukes on the ones that don't fit YOUR definition of civilized...

In fact, it was PACIFIST who let HITLER come to POWER. It was PACIFISTS who sat on their ASS while GERMANY and JAPAN took over EUROPE and ASIA- lets not forget Italy and AFRICA. HOW many MILLIONS could have lived if PACIFISTS would have gotten off their scared asses and done something????? There wouldnt have been a Holocaust. Good Job PACIFISTS. You got all the Jews killed. Lets not forget WWI. The PACIFISTS let that one rage on until the whole lousitania+mexico invasion scandel. GOOD JOB PACIFISTS. INSTEAD OF SAVING PEOPLE YOU ARE GETTING THEM KILLED. Its like communism, a great idea (to some) but it DOESNT WORK. Pacifism only works if EVERYONE is a Pacifist and since that will NEVER happen it doesnt work.

No, it was not pacifists that let Hitler come to power, go read you freekin history books. Pacifists do not have power struggles...Hilter was put in power BY power not pacifists. True Pacifsts refuse power...

Pacifism is a sure winner. War is the sure loser because IT is the killer. OF EVERYONE. Guilty or Innocent.

THANK YOU PACIFISTS FOR LETTING POWER HUNGRY MURDEROUS BASTARDS LIKE HITLER STAY IN POWER. Where would we be without you people....

Thank you war mongers for CONTINUING the tradition of WAR...killing and maiming in the most despicable fashion making people like 151 be your gloating follower. Go 151, run to your GOD OF WAR...and BOW DOWN TO HIM. Draft this man Oh God of War, he needs to kill somone bad. He has KILL on the mind...His veins bulge from his neck in sheer anger over something he knows NOTHING about. You couldn't have a better KILL ROBOT...he's already self programmed to kill. God USA, tell him what's bad, even if it's a lie and he will do your KILL KILL bidding. He is a mindless KILLJOY because HIS government (the USA) is his God now, the USA GOD who did covert dastardly deeds on it's own people who trusted it, with drugs, radiation, disease and chemicals covertly ~~EVIL EVIL EVIL USA on it's OWN PEOPLE...and yet he puts full trust in this EVIL GOD COUNTRY who doese not give TWO CRAPS about his life...Go bathe in your weapons of war War Monger 151. I have no use for your kind. Never have...never will.

And Prom, Japan was in no way defeated. Please look at the U.S. casualty rates in the Pacific in its Island Hopping Campaign. You will see that thousands of marines AND Japanese died fighting over these little streches of land. More would have died on the mainland. Pacifism is a failure.

No, war is a failure. I will kill no man. That is a success.

Edited by - pomegranate on 18 November 2002 22:13:6

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be it illegal to deny the holocaust?

by comforter in

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i hard something about this law about the holocaust?

aint it illegal to deny the holocaust in the united states government?

pomegranate

How do you figure it would have only cost 40,000 lives to invade Japan???

Those aren't my figures. That was the US military's figures. It's on record and so are the post bomb statistical up creeps.

Have you somehow forgotten that the Japanese NEVER surrendered???

Say Wha?

The Japanese Surrender Documents: WWII

TRANSLATION of Foreign Minister Shiegemitsu's credentials

TRANSLATION

HIROHITO,

By the Grace of Heaven, Emperor of Japan, seated on the Throne occupied by the same Dynasty changeless through ages eternal,

To all who these Presents shall come, Greeting!

We do hereby authorise Mamoru Shigemitsu, Zyosanmi, First Class of the Imperial Order of the Rising Sun to attach his signature by command and in behalf of Ourselves and Our Government unto the Instrument of Surrender which is required by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to be signed.

In witness whereof, We have hereunto set Our signature and caused the Great Seal of the Empire to be affixed.

Given at Our Palace in Tokyo, this first day of the ninth month of the twentieth year of Syowa, being the two thousand six hundred and fifth year from the Accession of the Emperor Zinmu.

Seal of the Empire	Signed: HIROHITO

How many people died defeating Germany????

What does that have to do with Japanese civilians being slaughtered by the worst split second instantaneous mass murder in mankind's history? As well as the decades of POST BOMB HOLOCAUST? Japan was the REAL WWII HOLOCAUST.

Are you suggesting that if we had the atomic bomb in 1942 that we should not have used it???

I am suggesting the atomic bomb should NEVER have been used PERIOD. I am suggesting that germ warfare should NEVER have been used PERIOD. I am suggesting that labor camp injustices should NEVER have been committed PERIOD.

How many millions of French, English, German, Russians and Jews died fighting the war YOUR way.

My way? If it was MY WAY, there would never have been any war. So no one would have died by war. PERIOD.

INVASION, INVASION, INVASION. 40,000 my ass!

You said it not me.

You stick up for the Japanese as if they were some humane group of people and we were wrong for frying them.

I stick up for ALL innocent civilians, Japanese, Jew, German, American...and yeah, your true violent uncontrolled self is leaking out.

How many people did they kill???

They? The civilians killed NO ONE. Got it? NO ONE AT ALL.

THEY Started the WAR.

Civilians do not start war. Military does.

The took over ALL of Southeast Asia and brutalised everyone.

So, that means the US can involk a flatten the innocent civilian policy even though Japan's military was already on the door step of defeat?

You gladly stick up for the japanese civilians but yet you attempt to castrate the U.S. for protecting millions of Americans.

As I said, it is a proven FACT that Japan was already defeated, as major military figures have stated PLAINLY. So your millions of Americans saved farce is a blatant piece of bovine anal push through.

You pacifist crap is WRONG.

No, people like YOU are wrong and very dangerous.

The Japanese killed 250,000 chinese with GERM warfare, NOT because they were a threat, but out of retaliation of the Doolittle raid.

So how is that reason for the USA to drop A Bombs on Japan? Since when does the USA drop A bombs for another nations plight? NEVER. Since when did it become the USA's business to punish Japan's civilians UNJUSTIFIABLY, for something their MILITARY did to some Chinese prisoners? NEVER. Your self concocted reasoning for dropping the big A's on Japan are your own fanciful war mongering philia.

You think they wouldnt have used Germ warefare if we invaded JAPAN????

They were already in defeat. They would have and could have done nothing. I'm quite sure Eisenhower knew the deal better than you could ever dream of knowing it. I can see your reading his admission isn't even good enough for you. So be it. Live your I LOVE WAR life as you see fit.

You are NUTS.

Nice one. Actually I am fruit. pomegranate.

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be it illegal to deny the holocaust?

by comforter in

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i hard something about this law about the holocaust?

aint it illegal to deny the holocaust in the united states government?

pomegranate

1) MORE Japanese would have died if we had invaded Japan.

Japan was ALREADY defeated (go read Eisenhower/Churchill and other military men), there was no need for invasion or the
bomb(s).

2) The Japanese had already annilated 250,000 Chinese civilians with germ warfare. The Japanese germ warfare program was funded like our own Manhatten project. It was HUGE!!!

So, that gives the US the green light to anniliate Japanese civilians? Warped logic you have there dude.

3) The Japanese had perfected special ceramic bombs to deliver plague infected fleas.

So, that gives the US the green light to kill the civilians instead of going after the military machine?

4) The Japanese were developing an intercontinental bomber to bomb the West Coast of the U.S. with GERM WARFARE.

So, that gives the US the green light to kill the civilians instead of going after the military machine?

5) The Japanese jet technology was more advanced that the Germans. They had already developed Jet prototypes that were 200mph faster than our fighters and would have been capable of reaching the altitudes of our B-29s.

So, that gives the US the green light to kill the civilians instead of going after the military machine?

6) It would have taken the Japanese at most another year to fully implement their Jet Fighter and Bomber programs and WE would have gotten our ASSES rocked.

So, that gives the US the green light to kill the civilians instead of going after the military machine?

So in retrospect, the 200,000 civilians that died were a drop in the Bucket compared the the # of people who would have died if we didnt drop them.

I believe you have posted the most SPECUALTION I have ever seen in one post. It must be the 151 you be drinkin eh?

"American military planners officially estimated that an invasion of the Japanese mainland would cost 20,000 to 46,000 casualties. Those figures were then systematically and continually increased into the millions in postwar justifications by Truman, Churchill and many others. (This was unaccompanied by any discussion of the morality of taking civilian lives to reduce military casualties, but that moral line had long since been crossed in Nanjing, Guernica, Hamburg, Dresden, London, Coventry and the conventional firebombing of Tokyo and sixty-five other Japanese cities. Deliberate destruction of civilian populations was characteristic of World War II; the innovation at Hiroshima was the nature of the weapon, not the nature of the target.) - Paul Boyer, Hiroshima's Shadow

Lets not forget that the Japanese could have surrendered after Hiroshima but refused.

You better go reread history. You have twisted it beyond belief.

"During [Secretary of War Henry Stimson's] recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings: first, on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly, because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face.'"

The author: Gen. Dwight Eisenhower.

On a sick note, the head of the Japanese germ warfare unit and the man responsible for 250,000+ deaths became a top advisor to the U.S. germ warfare program after the war in exchange for immunity.

As I have said before...American NAZI's, German NAZI's, Japanese NAZI's...ALL killing CIVILIANS.

There is not ONE INNOCENT NATION and ALL ARE GUILTY UP TO THEIR EYES.

Edited by - pomegranate on 18 November 2002 18:14:37

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be it illegal to deny the holocaust?

by comforter in

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friends

i hard something about this law about the holocaust?

aint it illegal to deny the holocaust in the united states government?

pomegranate

The article Valis posted I thought was interesting and I think the author walked a reasonably decent line of TRYING to be neutral, though his slant is obvious. I believe the BEST point of the article is HERE:

If the Holocaust is to be treated as a historical event, rather than an article of religious faith, it must be subjected to continued, critical revision, and treated no differently than the Battle of Waterloo or any other historical event. As Eatwell (1992) points out, the defining characteristic of serious revisionism, as opposed to propagandistic denial, is that the former serves to broaden debate, the latter to narrow it.

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be it illegal to deny the holocaust?

by comforter in

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friends

i hard something about this law about the holocaust?

aint it illegal to deny the holocaust in the united states government?

pomegranate

It is how they were murdered. It is why they were murdered.

I have the exact same questions with all the Japanese civilians that were annilated unneccessarily with the A-Bombs...

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be it illegal to deny the holocaust?

by comforter in

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i hard something about this law about the holocaust?

aint it illegal to deny the holocaust in the united states government?

pomegranate

I thought the purpose of neo-Nazis was to take credit for the Holocaust?!

Exactly.

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been away from organization for a while now, yet?.

by intellecta in

i found this site accidently i guess.

i have been away from the truth for a while now...6 years... yet it always permeates my mind somehow and i fear the events happening in the world, and wonder.... i guess my problem was that i hated going out door to door as a child.. somehow i hated invading other people's privacy and felt wrong somehow, or embarrased, or just plain hated it period.

i think that is the biggest thing that keeps me away from ever returning.. somehow i, in my small mind cannot understand why small children should do such a thing until they are old enough to at least have a say in it.. like an opinion??

pomegranate

Our future is whatever God decides. Whatever He decides, is good enough for me.

I believe worrying about what God will do is sure paralysis. I do know one thing which may help relieve you:

JW's are here..............................................................................................................God is way over here.

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WHAT DO YOU DO FOR WORK?

by hamptonite21 in

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i work in the lending industry, im an account rep for a wholesale mortgage bank.

royal bank of canada in newyork.

edited by - hamptonite21 on 12 november 2002 22:40:6.

pomegranate

1. Manufacturing process consultant for the metal finishing industry, which includes jewelry, electronic and industrial applications.

2. Freelance Jeweler.

3. Freelance Web Site developer.

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The witnesses are right, IF humans are worthless

by NaomiB in

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when we think about the god of the old testament, we see a deity that would wipe out 75,000 people, for the mistakes of king david.

we see a god who killed 23,000 in one day, for fratranizing with the enemy.

according to the jehovah's witnesses, today is no different.

pomegranate

I wonder what makes people feel it's neccessary to judge anyone as being worthy to "be destroyed at Armageddon". If someone believes in God, why do they need to focus on the destruction of other men?

Good point. Let God do the good and bad judging thingy...I operate the way my mind and heart says to with no need of any man to judge my conscience whether I am doing good or bad. Nor do I want, nor have any need to judge another man's. JW's are the classic judge on the outside and judge on the inside organization.

Whatever happens happens...in God I trust even if it means I die. God proving His righteousness is worth more than my life.

Isn't it better to see what good exists in the world and try to be a part of that aspect of life?

Again, that is the point. God will deal with the bad, so what really is the use of me dealing with it? But the Bible is clear and consistent and so is Christ...God WILL deal with the bad on the same standard and level as He always has and according to the record...

I don't concern myself with trying to determine whether someone is so "bad" that they deserve to die. I don't recall ever being appointed to the position where it's my job to do that. I'd rather look for the good in people, and try not to be hurtful towards others in my own life.
Don't we all die eventually, regardless of how "good" or "bad" we perceive ourselves to be?

yep. But I certainly won't water down the truth of Christ in that HE WILL deal in truth and righteousness with those good and bad as defined by HIS standard and HIS code and HIS good will and pleasure and plainly shown in the OT and echoed by the words of the Master.

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The witnesses are right, IF humans are worthless

by NaomiB in

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when we think about the god of the old testament, we see a deity that would wipe out 75,000 people, for the mistakes of king david.

we see a god who killed 23,000 in one day, for fratranizing with the enemy.

according to the jehovah's witnesses, today is no different.

pomegranate

The Master came along and introduced to us a new concept of God, a concept totally at odds with the concept of god held by his contemporaries.

Luke 17:26-27
"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

Frank, how can you say Christ the "Master" was at odds with the OT God when he BLATANTLY references that God you deny as the TRUTH? He referenced TWO of the most JUDGMENTAL times in Biblical history as being a time exactly the same as when He returns. The ONLY concept that was CHANGED from OT to NT was not how God would deal with mankind, but the way man was to deal with man.

That change came NOT for God's sake, but for man's sake. And Again, the Master speaks of the OT God:

Luke 17:28-29
"It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

Jesus NEVER abandoned the above truth. Because; the God of the OT ,who judged those ones deemed wicked and destroyed them, was none other than Jesus Christ himself.

Mark 2:28
So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Jesus CAN'T be Lord of the Sabbath unless He was the Lord that CREATED the Sabbbath.

He did it in Noah's day, he did it in Lot's day and will do it again in the future as HE states quite plainly. All things done with Father's permission, as He sits at Father's right hand.

John 5:27
And he [Father] has given him [Jesus] authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

Do I sit in morbid fear of that God hoping for a good judgment? NOPE. Why? Because WHATEVER He decides IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

So I believe regarding the TWO extremes of existence (LIFE AND DEATH) that if I live or if I die, it is GOD'S CHOICE and His decision alone...which makes life quite simple and totally lacking in fear. Why?

I believe this: If I do not hold the power of deciding, THEN I CANNOT MAKE A WRONG CHOICE.

If I live or if I die, let God decide.

NO FEAR.