Posts by pomegranate

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

You just told on yourself liar.

You DO NOT know your Greek (or English for that matter), and you are a lying false teacher. You also have taken a word directly out of context. You have also contradicted the whole Bible with your false teaching.

The complete phrase is, with the descriptive adverb SLANDEROUS (blasfeemias) ACCUSATION (krisin).

From your copy work you pull your own pants down:

somatos, o'uk 'etolmesen krisin epenegkein
of body, not he dared judgement to bear upon

"NOT he dared judgment to bear upon" This is saying MICHAEL DID NOT JUDGE and yet Aaron teaches Michael did pass judgment. Liar.

All you have done is copy out of Strong's word for word which is a King James Bible tool. What a fake you are.

The context is very plain. Accurate translators did not translate "blasfeemia" as blasphemy, because blasphemy is against God, but in your illiterate Greek translation copying, you just made the same King James mistake. "Blasphemy" is wrong, as accurate translations use "slanderous" as the correct translation of "blasfeemia" from Michael as it would have been directed toward Satan not God, if he committed that wrong action. NOT BLASPHEMY!! The blind Strong/King James just led the blind Aaron into the pit.

Regarding "krisin" (accusation/judgment) with the light of texts such as these:

John 5:22
22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted ALL JUDGMENT to the Son,

Jude 5-6
6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home-these HE (Christ) has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

If the FATHER judges NO ONE, and Christ does the judging on the great Day of all spirit creatures, Michael could not and would not even have ANY TYPE OF "judgement" on his mind PERIOD. But you teach otherwise. Liar.

Which is why ALL translations DO NOT use judgement AT ALL in translating. Besides, if "judgement" is used in the phrase SLANDEROUS ACCUSTAION/JUDGEMENT, Michael would be guilty of lying AND judging. HE DID NEITHER.

But in your trek of false teaching and lies, you say Michael did pass judgement while the text plainly states HE DID NOT PASS ANY JUDGEMENT AT ALL, slanderous or otherwise. All he did was verbally REBUKE the Snake.

2 Peter 2:1
2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

>>Answer: In the Greek from which your English "mis-translation" came from.<<

>>you have been misled my dear. Go read the Greek<<

>>Actually .. your "translators" did that<<

>>That's cuz you got the wrong 'text.' Go back to the Greek, dear<<

These are BLATANT lies. I know my Greek well enough son and the word renderings in this verse of the NIV are very accurate. There is no mistranslation. As a matter of fact Aaron, why don't you enlighten us on which Greek words have been mistranslated! Here you go:

9. Ho de' Michaeel ho archangelos hote too diaboloo diakrinomenos dielegeto peri tou Moouseoos soomatos ouk etolmeesen krisin epenengkein blasfeemias alla eipen epitimeesai soj Kurios.

There is NO Greek word anywhere around verse 9 nevermind contained within verse 9 that remotely HINTS at Michael "judging" or "surrendering" as you have been falsely teaching. There is NOTHING mistranslated in the NIV rendering from the original Greek.

You are a liar.

You are a false teacher.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

The term "physical" was meant that he was BODILY removed from heaven and you know it. Why the nit picking Aaron?

>>Rather than Michael bring a judgement against him<<

Jude does NOT record "judgement against him" as you continue to cloud the truth, he records "slanderous accusation." Where do you see judgement being mentioned? Judgement was never mentioned or even insinuated. Michael would not SLANDER and ACCUSE Satan.

Jude 9
9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

There is NO SURRENDER above. None. There is NO JUDGEMENT above. None. You make up your own teaching by rewriting Jude's words.

If Michael surrendered, there would have been NO WAR after the "surrender." Again, surrender isn't mentioned or insinuated in the context.

>>Michael would not bring judgement against him, he surrendered that 'decision' to the Lord.<<

Judgement??? You write your own words into Jude again and again. "Judgement" is never mentioned AT ALL in this text. AT ALL. You continue on with a false teaching. Michael would not SLANDER Satan...but he sure as well could and DID rebuke him verbally.

There is no surrender and there is no judging mentioned AT ALL.

A rebuke is a VERBAL "bashing"...What's a matter Aaron, you don't know metaphor when you read it?

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

The point of bringing in Revelation is that the ONLY time Michael would "surrender" Satan over to the LORD would be for the final "rebuking" from God which will be Satan's death. That final rebuking did not happen in Jude, nor did it happen in Revelation where Michael went BEYOND rebuking verbage and was able to punish Satan himself with Godly permission by WARRING with him in heaven and ousting him.

Michael verbally bashed Satan in Jude, and "physically" trashed him in Revelation out of the heavens. So...explain this "surrender"...(of which the context does NOT support)

Tell me, what was God going to say to Satan as a verbal rebuke if that is your logic? You bad boy Satan?

Satan knew exactly what those words of rebuke from Michael's mouth meant. It was not I surrender you over as you mention other texts which state "surrender" exactly. This text does NOT say surrender AT ALL...Satan knew those words from Michael to mean his final extermination from God. That WAS a verbal rebuke from Michael reminding Satan of the great final rebuke that was to be from God. The LORD's ONLY verbal rebuke to Satan was stated at the very beginning, with God cursing Satan, and predestining him to death.(Gen 3:15)

There is nothing else God needs to say to Satan is there??...except "the memory of you shall be forgotten."

Lights Out.

bah bye.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

Michael did not have or own or posess Satan to surrender him over. Surrender is not there in the context either. It was a dispute between two with a final rebuke from one to the other.

The Lord's rebuke shall mean death to Satan.

No comment on Revelation eh?

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One God--Moses 1st?

by patio34 in

i've been doing a little research into a pharoah named akhenaten.

been coming up with some variances in dates and would like to know if anyone else has run across this info.. akhenaten (amenhotep iv) reigned 1379-1362 bc.

according to 'the bible timeline' moses was born in 1355 bc, right after akhenaten.

pomegranate

>>There is a certain logic to it.<<

1 Cor 14:33
33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

surrendering??

LOL...

Read your definition. Michael neither submitted HIS own power or was HE under any duress to give up on anything.

Surrendering is done by the weaker and the loser, often times in reference to a war/battle or DISPUTE. Are you saying Michael was the weaker and the loser under this particular dispute with Satan and had to submit to him? I don't think so. Michael would never "surrender" ANYTHING according to Revelation:

Rev 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough <Satan>, and they <Satan and his demons>lost their place in heaven.

Seems MICHAEL didn't "surrender" here on this highly important dispute eh? Matter of fact, seems the LORD gave MICHAEL the green light to whoop his butt in heavenly WAR. This incident in Revelation goes WAY BEYOND a verbal rebuke, which a verbal rebuke MICHAEL gave Satan as recorded in Jude.

Revelation shows MICHAEL going WAY BEYOND a verbal rebuke. Revelation shows God giving MICHAEL the OK to get "physical" with Satan. That goes BEYOND REBUKING WORDS my friend.

There is only one thing that Michael CANNOT do to Satan. ONLY ONE THING.

EXECUTE HIM. (May the LORD rebuke you)

When it's time for God to "rebuke" Satan, his lights are going out.

Up to that time, God as given Michael full authority to not only verbally rebuke Satan, but to clean house of the filth mongers from the heavens.

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One God--Moses 1st?

by patio34 in

i've been doing a little research into a pharoah named akhenaten.

been coming up with some variances in dates and would like to know if anyone else has run across this info.. akhenaten (amenhotep iv) reigned 1379-1362 bc.

according to 'the bible timeline' moses was born in 1355 bc, right after akhenaten.

pomegranate

>>But isn't it a given that Moses promoted monotheism?<<

It's only a given if you choose to accept what others have taught and understood it (Deut 6:4) to mean. I accept neither orthodoxy (triune) or JW and others (Arianism/singularity). I understand the Bible to fully communicate duotheism.

Deut 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

You see that text above? The word "one" in Hebrew can have two meanings. The first meaning is the numeral one. The second meaning is one as in union. How can I know which way is correct? One text (of many) that helped me decide was the following:

John 10:29-30
30 I and the Father are one." (the LORD is one <unified>)

When someone with an open mind reads such words as the above from Jesus, it certainly adds weight that the "ONE" spoken of in Duet. 6:4 means unification and NOT a numerical singularity ie monotheism.

Consider this:

I (The Holy) and the Father (The Most Holy) are one (Temple).

Rev 21:22
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

The temple and the tabernacle fully represented God, as can be seen by this text in Revelation. Well, that symbol was one tent with two rooms. One God consists of two beings. Just as man consists of two beings.

Man = Man and Woman
God = Father and Son

The physical counterparts below reflect the realities in heaven above.

TWO seperate rooms but ONE tabernacle/temple.

The two become one flesh.

pom

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Is Michael the Angel of the Lord?

by tracysdad in

joshua 5:13-15. exactly who is this "commander of the lord's army?

" rev.

12:7 michael & his angels throw satan out of heaven.

pomegranate

You know, it's people like you that make things that are so very very simple and easy into a really ridiculous mess, all because their pride won't let them be reproved.

So, Aaron's English grammar is, if the word rebuke is in a sentence from the first person, being spoken to the second person, the first person isn't rebuking the second person.

So Mr. Aaron, what exactly were Michael's words to Satan's ridiculous request? All your answers rebutt mine without saying exactly what Michael's words are termed...please define and term them with one word, without using any words of admonishment. Because if you do, you admit to them being a rebuke, which is a sharp admonishment. Make sure you keep the context intact with your defintion, which is two spirit creatures sparring and at odds with each other. DISPUTING is the exact Biblical word.

Synonyms? Ever heard of them?

syn·o·nym (noun)

1. A word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or other words in a language.

Here more from college word resources:

Synonyms: admonish, reprove, rebuke, reprimand, reproach

These verbs mean to correct or caution critically. Admonish implies the giving of advice or a warning in order to rectify or avoid something: “A gallows erected on an eminence admonished the offenders of the fate that awaited them” (William Hickling Prescott). Reprove usually suggests gentle criticism and constructive intent: With a quick look, the teacher reproved the child for whispering in class. Rebuke and reprimand both refer to sharp, often angry criticism: “Some of the most heated criticism... has come from the Justice Department, which rarely rebukes other agencies in public” (Howard Kurtz). “A committee at [the university] asked its president to reprimand a scientist who tested gene-altered bacteria on trees” (New York Times). Reproach usually refers to regretful or unhappy criticism arising from a sense of disappointment: “Every other author may aspire to praise; the lexicographer can only hope to escape reproach” (Samuel Johnson).

You can be sure that during the dispute, Michael's words were said SHARPLY and with a bit of righteous ANGER in response to Satan's corrupted request.

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One God--Moses 1st?

by patio34 in

i've been doing a little research into a pharoah named akhenaten.

been coming up with some variances in dates and would like to know if anyone else has run across this info.. akhenaten (amenhotep iv) reigned 1379-1362 bc.

according to 'the bible timeline' moses was born in 1355 bc, right after akhenaten.

pomegranate

>>Moses's promotion of one god.<<

Please show me where Moses promoted mono-theism.