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That stuff is pure non sense.
Those man made "scholars" are sadly mistaken.
YHWH is two.
Man is two (male and female)
In the image and likeness of God.
John 5:23
23...all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
Honor No more, Honor no less. Honor exactly the same
You do not honor the Son JUST as you do the Father. Bad.
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I honor the Father as God. I honor the Father as Creator. I honor the Father as omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. I honor the Father as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I honor the Father as the one who gave me my life. I honor the Father as the Holy Spirit. I give the Father the highest HONOR in all of my being strength and power.
John 5:23
23...all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
I honor the Son as God. I honor the Son as Creator. I honor the Son as omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. I honor the Son as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I honor the Son as the one who gave me my life. I honor the Son as the Holy Spirit. I give the Son the highest HONOR in all of my being strength and power.
Like Father, like Son. They are the Holy Spirit. They are two that become one united God, just as the male and female are two that become one united man.
Those who deny Christ as God and give Him the FULL honor that is demanded by scripture, will have some serious explaining to do.
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>>Anyone else would look at what is being said in context and come to the conclusion that Yahweh is speaking of himself and Israel as "us" and "we".<<
Dear sir,
You have made a blatant error IN CONTEXT. Chapter 41 of Isaiah is YHWH speaking TO Israel because of her wayward adulterous ways. She had become corrupted by making her religious alliances with the Satanic nations around her.
The context of chapter 41 of Isaiah is YHWH speaking to the Israelites.
Proof is in the chapter itself as God says the good tidings He can do for Israel. (Isaiah 41:14-20)
Isa 41:14
14 Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob,
O little Israel,
for I myself will help you," declares the LORD,
Israel is THE one this whole context is being directed to.
The ones YHWH is speaking TO are the Israelites.
When we get to verses 20-24, God is still speaking TO the Israelites. He is speaking to NO ONE ELSE. The context of the ones God is directing this prophecy TO does NOT change in the middle of the chapter. He is still speaking TO the Israelites.
When God says "bring in your idols" he is speaking to the WAYWARD and ADULTEROUS Israelites who have become corrupt by their false worship and alliances with the nations around them.
Again the context is plain, when God speaks of all the good things he can do to Israel, He notes He has a problem. And it is plain:
Isa 41:27-29
27 I was the first to tell Zion, 'Look, here they are!'
I gave to Jerusalem a messenger of good tidings.
28 I look but there is no one-- (Israel worships idols)
no one among them to give counsel, (Israel has gone to false gods)
no one to give answer when I ask them. (They have become perverted)
29 See, they are all false! (Talking about Israel's FALSE gods)
Their deeds amount to nothing;
their images are but wind and confusion. (That's why God uses another nation to bash Israel because of her perversions in YHWH's face)
Correct your contextual understanding and know that YHWH is two. Father and Son.
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"APART FROM ME THERE IS NO OTHER."
No, Yahweh is the ultimate savior,
Can you show me the wording "ultimate savior" in the Bible?
>>It is evident that the name has been replaced with titles<<
It is NEITHER evident (show your evidence) nor true. The OT copies that are all much older in age than the NT manuscripts have the "name" intact. You would have me believe that all of the much more recent Greek manuscripts had the name removed for some odd reason. The Greek manuscripts are wholey supported by ALL educated examiners, to be accurate renderings of the original penmen (including the absence of "the name"). You have to defy that fact of the absence in order to prove yourself. Well, it is a fact, and I know you have no evidence.
YHWH is Father and Son. YHWH is the surname of the Almighty being who are Father and Son.
Isa 41:21-23
21 "Present your case," says the LORD (YHWH).
Please note WHO is talking here.
"Set forth your arguments," says Jacob's King.
Again, please note YHWH, Jacob's King is the one who speaks this passage of scripture.
22 "Bring in [ your idols] to tell US
what is going to happen.
Please note YHWH has just refered to HIMSELF as the plural pronoun US
Tell US what the former things were,
so that WE may consider them
and know their final outcome.
Please note YHWH AGAIN has just refered to HIMSELF as the plural pronoun US and WE
Or declare to US the things to come,
Please note YHWH AGAIN has just refered to HIMSELF as the plural pronounUS
23 tell US what the future holds,
Please note YHWH AGAIN has just refered to HIMSELF as the plural pronoun US
so WE may know that you are gods.
Please note YHWH AGAIN has just refered to HIMSELF as the plural pronoun WE
Do something, whether good or bad,
so that WE will be dismayed and filled with fear.
Please note YHWH AGAIN has just refered to HIMSELF as the plural pronoun WE
It is ONLY YHWH that is speaking in this passage, and He refers to HIMSELF as US and WE.
They, the Father and Son, are God YHWH, neither created, both from eternity, and BOTH are ULTIMATE SAVIOR of the world.
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Isa 43:11
11 I, even I, am the LORD (YHWH),
and apart from me there is no Savior.
1 John 4:14-15
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
The YHWH Savior in Isa 43:11 must be the pre-human Jesus talking. Father YHWH sent Son YHWH to be the Savior of the world.
Luke 2:10-12
11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.
The evidence between the OT and the NT alone supports Christ being YHWH. The OT uses the name YHWH thousands of times, the NT uses it not once. That would be what one would expect if the Savior YHWH of the OT (the YHWH who spoke ALL the words of the OT) reliquished his YHWH hood and became human. His name would be changed upon his being born as a man. The Father YHWH would have named His Son with a new name:
John 17:12
12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me.
"YHWH" Savior while in heaven.
"Christ" Savior while on earth.
"New name" Savior upon resurrection.
Rev 3:12
and I will also write on him my new name.
All are the Son whom the Father sent as the Savior of the world.
everything layed out in the temple secrets moshiach:.
his name will be in the name of the temple/"mikdash"-(melakim {i kings8:43).
'mikdash' note dash means =in regards to, therefore the term mikdash shows us the temple is a building in regards to mike.. let's walk through the temple- .
If he does, you will become further enveloped in his darkness.
eeek.
Here, try this flashlite.
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Luke 10:21
21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Little children don't understand big words. Wise and learned do.
How can this word jibberish be true?
1 Cor 1:26-28
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things-and the things that are not-to nullify the things that are,
Somethings wrong with this intellectual picture eh?
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The Father creates through Christ the way the man creates through the woman.
As the first man DID NOT create the first woman, so the Father did not create Christ.
In the image and likeness of God, in every single way.
Those that call Christ a creature, have built their house on the sand. The big bad wolf is gonna blow your house down.
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>>Not that absolutely all life in the universe came to be by him,<<
The context of John may possibly be only about men. Colosians clarifies that issue about what was created by him, right? Right.
Col 1:16-17
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Another interesting little bit is the end of the passage above. All life was created by him, FOR HIM. It does NOT say all allthings were created by him FOR THE FATHER, does it? No it doesn't. The Father is willingly taking the back seat, and letting his son drive the car.
Of course, Christ did not create the Father, just like the Father did not create Christ.
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John 1:3-4
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
NIV
Col 1:16-17
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven <Angels> and on earth <Men>, visible <Men> and invisible <Angels>, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things <Angels and Men> were created by him and for him.
NIV
