Posts by pomegranate

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How about some embarrassing 80's pics?

by LyinEyes in

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let's post some of our 80's pic, or even further back if you want to.

it would really be fun to see some of you in your finest witness attire, bookbag and all.

baptism pics would be a blast to see.. wild turkey had this idea ,but he already started two threads.

pomegranate

Heaven said:

>>Pomogranet, That picture I actually had on file to send. I do have some very emberrasing HUGE hair pics but I would have to start scanning.

We want BIG hair pics, we want BIG hair pics!!!!

Nakita said:

>>pomegranate-I am so naive but what are you doing there?

Errrrr...me? Where? in the pic?? Nuthin'..honest!! ain't doing ANYTHING...not a thing, cross my heart...nuthin at all!! ahem...

Well...OK. Bong in front, joint to my left. Funny thing, after that I stood up and this is what happened:

The thread did say "embarassing"...right??

Valis - errrr KH?? We like ya better NOW!!

toodles

Edited by - pomegranate on 22 July 2002 18:59:15

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Little things in life that make you smile/happy

by Cappuccino OC in

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friends

early this morning i noticed a couple of racoons in my back yard searching for food.

there's a huge park/forest in my back yard.

i quietly opened the door and left some treats for them.

pomegranate

This does it for me everytime...my youngest daughter.

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Any muscian types on j-w.com?

by pomegranate in

yes no?

any examples on the net?

pomegranate

Anything to listen to???

Farkel: So, what software are you planning to use??? Mics?? Mixer??

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

pomegranate

I believe Valis's thinking is very logical.

I have no problem understanding or following his dialogue.

If your bailing, see ya around.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

pomegranate

"Jehovah" is not God's name.

FACT: It's a man made Catholic invention (1270 AD) that became TRADITIONALLY accepted, and was adopted by a group formerly called "Bible students."

If I read my Bible right, man made traditions have no place in God's truth.

(typo)

Edited by - pomegranate on 21 July 2002 16:44:20

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

pomegranate

Bleep says:

pomegranate says, "How then can Satan be guilty in his murder? He was, as you say, not guilty in the deaths of Adam & Eve."

I never said that. Reread please.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

pomegranate

>>pom I didn't forget and I'm not jumping on you...<<

Well then, I'm not sure how I was to take this:

Doesn't sound like your god has his house in order to me. In fact the whole tale , it smacks of human imperfection and a bad attempt at science fiction.

Was my sense wrong?

>>you didn't answer my question though,<<

This:

>>then why not make him go bug some other planet,<<

My belief:

Because I believe the Satanic rebellion was before Genesis 1:1, there were no other planets. Satan wanted to be god before the physical creation was started. I beleive the physical creation was created as the tool to end the spirtual GAME as you like to call it. Well, hunting is a game right? That game means life or death. So your term GAME doesn't minimize (at least to me) the seriousness of events in heaven. In reality, "game" is in fact what it is. The game of life and death. With two gods butting heads.

A true God and a false god.

>> nor have you satisfied me that your version depicts anything other than a superior being playing a game w/an inferior opponent, he knows he's gonna beat anyway.<<

I have no problem looking at it this way, except I don't believe there is PLAYING in this game. IT IS WORK. It has been ALL WORK since the beginning. Have you read Genesis. God was WORKING at the game in the beginning.

My belief:

You know, the word WORK is an action used when there is a problem. When there is a problem, you WORK at it, ie not enough money, somethings broken, something happened, an a$$hole is screwing up heaven. When you have a problem, do you PLAY at it? No you WORK. WORK is done for PROBLEMS. All that WORK that God was doing in the beginning is EVIDENCE of a problem. That problem God was working on was SATAN. The thing is, the inferior opponent (the problem that needed work) thought he really could win.

>> Doesn't sound like my kind of game.<<

I believe we're all in it whether we like it or not.

>>Where is the challenge in that?<<

I believe there is no challenge for us. We've been FORCED into a position of inherited corruption with NO CHOICE. Not so bad I believe once I understood that I have no choice. It's God's choice alone. He decides. He will win. Satan NEVER believed that. So. Time will tell. So time was created for this challenge. Time will WORK.

>>Even with all the variants in his game like free will,<<

I don't believe in freewill, I only believe there is God's will. The rest is free time.

>>if the outcome is known, <<

of which I beleive it is ALL known from the beginning of Satan's first fart.

>>because the playbook/bible says so,<<

I believe you don't believe that.

>>it still results in self gratification for your god,<<

That's all that counts to me...after all, it's why I'm alive. Why not let Dad be GLORIFIED UP TO HIS...well you know.

>>not the benefit of every living human on the planet..<<

I believe it will be to the gratification of all He chooses to take part in it.

>> Like I said earlier..an excercise in futility on his part, and for me a glaring example of why the bible does not represent who or what god might be<<

I appreciate your opinion.

DISCLAIMER: My belief, not being forced or coerced or convinced as anyone else's.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

pomegranate

>>How then can Satan be guilty in his murder? He was, as you say, not guilty in the deaths of Adam & Eve.<<

My belief:

The false god Satan's corrupt children (offspring of Adam and Eve which he created by the corrupting LEAVEN called lie), killed the true God Father's uncorrupt child (which He created).

Obviously then, a god (false or otherwise) is thus responsible for ALL that he creates is he not? As a man is responsible for his creation from the loins, so the god Satan is responsible for his creation of his "lips."

Justice now legally permits the God of LIFE to impose death, on the god who has the power of death.

Heb 2:14-15
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil-

(Recollect Jesus talking to the Jews..."you are from your father the Devil")

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Valis,

Science fiction to you, non fiction to me. Don't forget my disclaimer OK?

DISCLAIMER: My belief, not being forced or coerced or convinced as anyone else's. Including you Valis.

Edited by - pomegranate on 21 July 2002 15:15:38

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

pomegranate

My belief:

Yes. Chirst committed suicide on the cross. Father LET him commit suicide on the cross.

I also believe Jesus in a sense willingly first "died" in heaven as God too. In order for Christ to become a man on earth, he had to die as God in heaven.

Isn't it suicide to save a girl crossing the train tracks by pushing her off, yet you yourself get hit by the train and die?

All suicide is not bad, I believe.

DISCLAIMER: My belief, not being forced or coerced or convinced as anyone else's.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

pomegranate

>>Could not your god have killed him long ago?<<

My belief:

No, God could not have killed Satan immediately. If God is just, how could he take the life of Satan if Satan hadn't taken a life?

{Added on edit: Don't confuse Adam and Eve's death as Satan killing them. They died by their OWN HANDS (reached out). Adam and Eve committed suicide.}

After all, isn't the Law of God an eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life?? How could God take the life of one who hadn't taken a life? If He did, He would be the supreme example of injustice. Isn't the LAW MAKER as bound to the LAW as those who the LAW was bound upon? I say YES.

In order for God to exterminate Satan, Satan had to be guilty of taking a life EQUAL TO that which he was claiming to be. Satan claimed to be god. OK, a false god, but a god just the same.

Up to the plate comes Jesus Christ, surrenders being God, becomes a being (man) that can be killed, is killed by Satan and his corruption.

Now, Satan can be exterminated, because at the point of Jesus death, he was guilty of killing one who was FORMERLY God in heaven before becoming a man. I believe the time now is waiting for all the conditions of corruption to become truly ripe for the reaping.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

For every action - Satan (false god), a creation, GOING UP to claim god.

There is an equal and opposite reaction - Jesus (true God), uncreated, GOING DOWN to claim death.

The physical world is a likeness of the spiritual reality.

DISCLAIMER: My belief, not being forced or coerced or convinced as anyone else's.

(edited for typo and addition)

Edited by - pomegranate on 21 July 2002 14:33:44