for me, it's actually the book of job, which happens to be one of my favourite books.
the way job steadfastly maintains his innocence, and questions god, as well as rebuffs the three comforters (who proffer arguments along the lines of mordern apologist, although in this book they are "bad guys" ) made him my hero of sorts throughout most of the book.
if most people today questioned god the way he did, they would probably be condemned for it.
If the Bible is God's, then it will be God to prove it true and not any man...why should any man have to prove true God's words? If God uttered the words, then it's HIS responsibilty to prove them to be true.
I believe God can and will justify Himself and His Book at the expense of unbelievers.
seek and you will find.
16 but may all who seek you .
13 you will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
Rom 10:20
And Isaiah boldly says,
"I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me."
Just like the Apostle Paul.
some christian clear this up for me willya?
christians are saved thru the mediation of christ right?
if thats the case, will someone tell me why god spent 3000, 2000 years, however long, stuffing around with patriachs and israelites?
Hes never done JACK SHIT for me
He let's you live. So, I guess your life is JACK SHIT huh?
some christian clear this up for me willya?
christians are saved thru the mediation of christ right?
if thats the case, will someone tell me why god spent 3000, 2000 years, however long, stuffing around with patriachs and israelites?
Would you walk into a discussing on these grounds?:
" well, He is an idiot."
I may be wrong, but by the power of the above statement, it sounds like you are set in your ways no matter what anyone says.
"As to what "good it would be to me", well, who knows, maybe I can be convinced to be a believer by the power of your arguement."
I will never convince you of anything. I believe it is God alone who convinces who He wants.
I have found that my logical reasoning can be someone elses finger pointing non sense. If God wants you to know the truth, He'll tell it to you. If He doesn't want you to know the truth, He will remain silent while you call Him an idiot.
If I were God, I don't think I'd reveal anything to a man that just called me an idiot. Would you? Do you think a haughty man blaspheming God is what He wants to draw close to?
But then again, you don't believe, so again, what does it matter to you?
some christian clear this up for me willya?
christians are saved thru the mediation of christ right?
if thats the case, will someone tell me why god spent 3000, 2000 years, however long, stuffing around with patriachs and israelites?
Even if someone had the true answers to these baited questions, what good would it be to you?
many people claim that the god of the bible loves children and fetuses.
but what does the bible say?
according to god's law, children are not persons but the property of their fathers, who may sell them as slaves.
Will God ever intervene in mans affairs?
Didn't Jesus say so?
Is God going to bring about the mass destruction of human society as he has done in the past?
Didn't Jesus use Noah's day and Lot's day as an example for the coming finale'?
Who will survive?
Rom 9:14-17
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
Isn't the truth that God will have mercy on WHOMSOEVER HE DECIDES? Isn't it HIS choice on who shall be given the gift?
What is the criteria for them to be saved?There can be none. Because if there were ANY criteria to be saved, then man is saved by works, and grace and mercy become null and void.
Are we just going to grow old and suffer all along the way?I believe until Father's allotted time is up, we shall live in a life that is both good and bad. Accentuate the positive, and minimize the negative...keep the hope. Without hope, one is hopeless.
My understanding which gives me hope.
Edited by - pomegranate on 21 September 2002 12:26:24
many people claim that the god of the bible loves children and fetuses.
but what does the bible say?
according to god's law, children are not persons but the property of their fathers, who may sell them as slaves.
Ps 58:3
3 Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.
Rom 3:10-18
10 As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."
13 "Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."
14 "Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know."
18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
For the LOVE OF GOOD, TRUTH and RIGHTEOUSNESS, God has every right to destroy what he DEFINES AS BAD, EVIL and CORRUPT. Including those "from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies."
Children are NOT innocent. They are BORN GUILTY.
Some will NEVER believe that truth.
i know, i never formally introduced myself when i signed onto this board.
however, a little bit about me.
i was raised as a witness since age 10. my mother and my 3 siblings are all witnesses.
I know scumrat PERSONALLY. He has been to my house and we have enjoyed each other's time togther, along with sisteract. BOTH are some of the finest examples of NEIGHBORS I CAN LOVE that I can think of.
We all hurt from them (WTBTS). BUT WE CAN ALL HEAL TOGETHER.
HEALING IS GOOD.
TOGETHER IS GOOD.
Let's all heal together.
many people claim that the god of the bible loves children and fetuses.
but what does the bible say?
according to god's law, children are not persons but the property of their fathers, who may sell them as slaves.
The God of the OT (same as the NT) has the right to deal with the garbage that A&E produced the way HE AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS saw then, see fit now. Better read the NT a little closer. Your definition of God's "cruelty" is there and shall return to those God DOESN'T choose.
God has the right to kill the sperm and the egg. God has the right to kill the embryo. God has the right to kill the infant. God has the right to kill the child. God has the right to kill the man and woman.
WHY?
Because everything produced from A&E and their offspring, are defiled and corrupt by Satan. They (corrupt man) are HIS creation, and Satan's creations are AGAINST GOD and God's creation.
God forced EVERY man to be Satan's creation by a design called INHERITANCE. Sinners have no choice. You were forced to be a sinner. Like it or not.
God loves HIS children not Satan's children. If ALL men are of sin and of Satan, then God's chosen have to BE BORN AGAIN.
Being born is the choice of the CONCEIVER not the conceived, so don't think being born from God is a choice to man...it is a choice by God and a GIFT to man. God chooses which men to give the gift to. The choice of God comes BEFORE a man can accept.
Just as Satan "fertilized" A&E from good into bad with his own spirit, so God will ferilize HIS chosen by fertilization of HIS own spirit by HIS OWN CHOOSING, from bad into good.
God loves HIS children, and God knows who HIS children are just like a shepherd KNOWS HIS OWN SHEEP.
Edited by - pomegranate on 21 September 2002 8:53:11
if baptism washes away your sins, as taught by jws, what prevents a disfellowshiped person who has moved to a new area and is not known in that area in attending meetings as an interested person and getting baptised within 6 months.. has anyone ever done that?
if so can the person be disfellowshipped a second time?
what would be his status.
Baptism = Death
Rom 6:2-4
We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Funny thing about water. You can't live within it, and you can't live without it.
The very substance that life is dependant on, is also quite capable of ending life.
That reality was not creatd by accident.
