In reality it’s far, far worse as the powers behind the current practices have real power and influence.
We are looking at American MARXISM. New book coming out on July 13th
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We keep saying “Orwellian….” Yikes…
by DATA-DOG inthis is so eerily similar to the whitewashing and revisionist history practices by the governing body that it’s downright scary.
in reality it’s far, far worse as the powers behind the current practices have real power and influence.
they aren’t just some overweight buffoons worried about young men humping their pillows.. .
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Most doubts aren't created by apostates. They are created in a Kingdom Hall.
by pistolpete ini found this interesting perspective on reddit.. post;.
i remember the moment the first real crack in my faith happened as a jehovah's witness.
i was sitting in the kingdom hall during the watchtower study where, as is common, the article was talking about how the israelites as a nation abandoned jehovah.. "but wait," i thought, "having a nation represent him here on earth was part of his plan.
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The over oppression of power and control which JWS elders are afforded is a reason that made many people leave this organization altogether.
JWS elders are there to judge, evaluate and even penalize people at will to an individual's apparent righteousness.I believe this is the NUMBER ONE reason why jws starting waking up.
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Most doubts aren't created by apostates. They are created in a Kingdom Hall.
by pistolpete ini found this interesting perspective on reddit.. post;.
i remember the moment the first real crack in my faith happened as a jehovah's witness.
i was sitting in the kingdom hall during the watchtower study where, as is common, the article was talking about how the israelites as a nation abandoned jehovah.. "but wait," i thought, "having a nation represent him here on earth was part of his plan.
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I found this interesting perspective on reddit.
Post;
I remember the moment the first real crack in my faith happened as a Jehovah's Witness.
I was sitting in the Kingdom Hall during the Watchtower study where, as is common, the article was talking about how the Israelites as a nation abandoned Jehovah.
"But wait," I thought, "Having a nation represent him here on earth was part of his plan. If they abandoned him, then his plan failed."
This thought spiraled into further epiphanies.
"Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden. That plan failed too."
"Having a heavenly family where everyone worships him. That plan failed."
"Ridding the earth of wickedness during the flood. That failed."
"How reliable is Jehovah? His plans never seem to go as intended. Will his plan of Paradise even work? What about his 'earthy organization?'"
These were some doubts purely from a theological perspective as I had already had a few from a scientific one. Watchtower always said to research in their publications when you had doubts, but as these doubts grew and splintered into new ones, I was finding the publications just didn't have the answers.
When someone is truly honest with themselves, they don't continually try to prove to themselves that something is true when they have already verified it is false. Watchtower actually asks JWs to do this.
"Strengthening one's faith" and "waiting on Jehovah" are both examples. The former is asking JWs to only look at evidence or circumstances that point to Jehovah actually existing along with his grand plan for humanity.
The latter, waiting on Jehovah, is asking JWs to ignore their doubts and wait when strengthening their faith doesn't work.
And this is why apostates are so "dangerous."
When JWs find that Watchtower doesn't have all the answers, we are here to say, "You are not crazy for thinking this way. I had that doubt too."
Our only threat to Watchtower is simply validating the thoughts that current Witnesses already have.
When I first found this sub, I wasn't flooded with new information to take away my faith.
I was simply told I was not crazy for thinking the way I did, and that went a long way in helping me to be mentally free.
Watchtower has it wrong.
Most doubts aren't created by apostates. They are created in a Kingdom Hall.
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Jehovah Witnesses lost in Court. Disfellowshipped Sister Reinstated by Court Order?
by pistolpete inimagine the "faithful" jws who are now having to talk to this person by court order or face the consequences----legally.. exjws are spreading the news and now some exjws who have been disfellowshipped for years are starting to research to see if this is an option in their country.
here are the articles, you need to translate in google.
https://www.nrk.no/norge/gry-nygard-ble-ekskludert-fra-jehovas-vitner-_-vant-i-lagmannsretten-1.15570621.
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I think this is a first!
Imagine the "faithful" jws who are now HAVING TO TALK TO THIS PERSON by Court order or face the consequences----legally.
Exjws are spreading the news and now some exjws who have been disfellowshipped for years are starting to research to see if this is an option in their country.
Here are the articles, you need to translate in Google
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What would happen if the Watchtower decided no more meeting at Kingdom Halls, only Zoom?
by pistolpete ini’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.
now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.
even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.
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cha ching
I think they will do something like:
sell off K Halls, make a video studio, move to Brazil, (the GB have been "taken to heaven, so obey their helpers") and either totally 'disappear with the cash, or merge (secretly) with another corporation and become a different business with whatever deception it takesIf I was in the Governing Body, I would vote to make you the NEXT GOVERNING BODY MEMBER.
We need more thinkers.
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What Do You Think About The Government Going Door to Door To Get You Vaccinated?
by minimus ini hate anyone bothering me going door to door and house to house.
maybe it’s my jw background?
i dunno..
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Anna Marina
3 working age men with 3 different employers......Each man expressed profound fear at what the vaccine had done to them and that they had never felt like this before. One said, "this is depopulation, they are trying to kill us."
That has always been my theory.
In fact AOC at one time made the comment that aged people should not be allowed medicare because they are living to long.
Bloomberg said something similar regarding aged people with cancer. He said they should be withheld medical care and allow to die because medical benefits for older people was just taxing the system.
Then he changed his tune and blamed Trump for bad medical care and Cancer.
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20 Years Occupying Afghanistan, Nothing Achieved
by Simon inso the occupation of afghanistan is coming to an end and, as predicted, they achieved absolutely nothing in that 20 years apart from:.
the death of 2,300+ service personnel and tens of thousands more seriously maimed or injured.. handing $billions or even $trillions of taxpayer dollars to defence contractors (so the military industrial complex wins, even if the military doesn't have a clear victory).. has this lengthy but short-term military occupation really changed anything in the country?
it doesn't appear so.. i said at the time that the us wouldn't have the staying power to enact real change.
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The big mistake was not.- to invade that country, but to admit them and their way of life into our midst; ask the family of the recent 13 year old victim in Austria.
Agreed!
You NEVER ADMIT a group of people who BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST WAY OF LIFE EVER.
QUOTE FROM ARTICLE; In 1809 a diplomat named Mountstuart Elphinstone led Britain’s first fact-finding mission to Afghanistan. In a land filled with strife and riven by independent factions, he met an elderly tribal leader and tried to convince him of the benefits of a firm central government.
The leader’s response?
“We are content with discord,
we are content with alarms,
we are content with blood,”
the Afghan replied.
“But we will never be content with a master.”
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What Do You Think About The Government Going Door to Door To Get You Vaccinated?
by minimus ini hate anyone bothering me going door to door and house to house.
maybe it’s my jw background?
i dunno..
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titch
You know, the doorbell is not some kind of "god" that MUST be appeased by responding to it. It really isn't. I can always just refuse to respond.
You know, I thought my family and I were the only ones who believed this.
We have a huge bay window that oversees the front gate, plus a camera system. And when someone comes ringing the doorbell on the main gate, if it's not family, or friend, we just don't respond. We refuse to disable the door/gate/bell because it's entertaining to see all the weird people coming to our front gate.
On top of that, it's entertaining when we open the main gate remotely, and they have to walk about 80 yards to our other gate that surrounds the home. Sometime they just walk back slowly and never make it to the gate surrounding the house.
I wonder if it's the small sign that scares them away
https://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tacticalfirearms.jpg
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We keep saying “Orwellian….” Yikes…
by DATA-DOG inthis is so eerily similar to the whitewashing and revisionist history practices by the governing body that it’s downright scary.
in reality it’s far, far worse as the powers behind the current practices have real power and influence.
they aren’t just some overweight buffoons worried about young men humping their pillows.. .
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truth_b_known
Censorship is counterproductive. Understanding is important. Understanding is the key to resolution. When both sides hear each other out for the purpose of understanding, not to make an argument, then resolution is possible.
EXACTLY!
This is why it is so important that this lawsuit against High Tech goes all the way to the Supreme Court and Wins. We need to stop Censorship.
At the moment we still have no idea if the vaccines has some time - release effects that will unleash some shit that hits the fan for those that took the vaccine. Just like Thalidomide was a widely used drug in the late 1950s and early 1960s for the treatment of nausea in pregnant women. Then it became apparent in the 1960s that thalidomide treatment resulted in severe birth defects in thousands of children.Only time will tell.
I hope not because about half of my family took the vaccine- mostly the elderly, the other half refused to take it. None of my workers took it and all of us got covid but were only mildly discomfort for a day.
I ask myself if I would have taken the vaccine if I was 60 and up. I probably would have taken it because of the fact that Social media and the News Media would have WITHHELD IMPORTANT INFORMATION NEEDED FOR ME TO MAKE A EDUCATED DECISION.
AND THAT'S THE THE PROBLEM WITH CENSORSHIP!
I wonder how many of us who took the vaccine, would have taken the vaccine if we had waited just another year as this information about the vaccine started leaking out into the public.
I bet the number would be less.
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What would happen if the Watchtower decided no more meeting at Kingdom Halls, only Zoom?
by pistolpete ini’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.
now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.
even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.
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They will eventually go on-line only no doubt. But will achieve it slowly, and stealthily, and it will all be a " Blessing from Jehovah" !
I think this or something like this will be their strategy.I don't believe they will just spout out that all kingdom hall meetings will cease.
The reason is because that's not how the Watchtower works. For example, they knew a long time beforehand that the "Teaching" of the generation would not die-----would somehow have to be discarded. Did they spout it out immediately. NO! Instead they Slowly and patiently started giving hints that the Generation Jesus talked about "COULD POSSIBLY MEAN SOMETHING ELSE"
After years, then finally, the OVERLAPPING GENERATION WAS INTRODUCE.
So I'm sure that eventually Kingdom Halls will be open, they will encourage the member to attend, but little by little they will continue to sell off Kingdom Halls, until eventually they decide to drop the ball and say;
NEW LIGHT; Jehovah is directing the organization to go ON-LINE. Friends, the reason we have come to this conclusion------Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah.
By this time the membership WORLD WIDE will have shrunk to a couple of million. Mostly brain dead individuals.
