Posts by pistolpete

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How long did it take before you realized that you missed the obvious?

by pistolpete in

remember when the public speaker in the kingdom hall or convention related the ten plagues and the parting of the red sea?.

the finale when jehovah closes the red sea and swallows pharaoh's entire army of egyptian men.. when i was a little kid about 5 years old and listened to this story, i would think---wow jehovah is strong.

when i started school and started learning compassion as early as the first grade i started wondering?????.

pistolpete

If the Egyptian army rushed into the dry river bed after the Israelites and were swallowed up by the water,

who was left to travel all the way back to the City to report what happened?

LOL---yea that's a good point

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How long did it take before you realized that you missed the obvious?

by pistolpete in

remember when the public speaker in the kingdom hall or convention related the ten plagues and the parting of the red sea?.

the finale when jehovah closes the red sea and swallows pharaoh's entire army of egyptian men.. when i was a little kid about 5 years old and listened to this story, i would think---wow jehovah is strong.

when i started school and started learning compassion as early as the first grade i started wondering?????.

pistolpete

Remember when the public speaker in the Kingdom Hall or Convention related the Ten Plagues and the Parting of the Red Sea?

The finale when Jehovah closes the Red Sea and swallows Pharaoh's entire army of Egyptian men.

When I was a little kid about 5 years old and listened to this story, I would think---WOW Jehovah is strong.

When I started school and started learning compassion as early as the first grade I started wondering?????

Wondering about all those Egyptian Men!!

Many of them were fathers, husbands, and sons.

So what about the thousands of wives that became INSTANT WIDOWS?

How about the Parents who lost their child INSTANTLY?

NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT!

But that’s not all. What about all the innocent animals that were killed with some of the plagues?

What about the terrible suffering and pain that many of the Egyptian people suffered because of the plagues---- and who had no idea this was a fight between Jehovah’s crony-Moses, and Pharaoh.

The Nation of your average Egyptian citizen had nothing to do with enslaving Israel. That was all done by the political leader of the nation.

A lot of innocent Egyptian Grandmothers, tons of young women looking forward to getting married and having a family, thousands of children whose only interest was playing with the other kids, and your average citizen working hard to provide for his family-----had to pay a heavy price with their life and health for something they weren’t even aware off.

Then I started thinking; Why couldn’t Jehovah who is all powerful just put Pharaoh out of commission and lead all Israel out of Egypt without any causalities of innocent humans and animals?

By the time I was 13 years, it became obvious to me that when the God of the Bible was being described, the focus was on his power to KILL—CAUSE SUFFERING AND PAIN.

The HAVOC and PAIN he caused on innocent humans, AND animals was always hidden.

You see this over and over every time you read in the bible about Jehovah doing some great act.

But it’s not obvious to those who are still suffering the effects of INDOCTRINATION!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0edulDy1PYE

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What do you think will be different in the Organization after the pandemic is over?

by ExCircuitOverseer in

jw
friends

whether they go back to door-to-door or not, what will be different?

do you think there will be a noticeable drop-off in attendance as we have read on here that many have left or faded?

will there be a mass selling of halls?

pistolpete

DesirousOfCHange - "It will be 'spun' that it was Divine Direction that the D2D work be 'phased out' (just as the Paper & Ink printing has been phased out) because it's too dangerous, or it's not productive

I disagree and this is why?

The JWs of 2021 are NOT THE SAME as the jws of the 60s-70s, 80s,

Because in the 90s something unique happened

The jws of the 60s-80s had no choice but to accept whatever change the WT announced as new light. There was nowhere to go. As they used to say;

WHERE ELSE WILL WE GO?

But today it's very hard to spin anything in the Watchtower religion.

Because literally THOUSANDS OF JWS are hitting the INTERNET FOR ANSWERS.

And they are finding out that it's just some old men behind the curtain.

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Do you sometimes bemoan the LOST idea, or Belief, that Someone Powerful was going to set all things right?

by pistolpete in

so it looks like about half of my jw relatives are not going back to the meetings once they open up the kingdom halls.

the main reason all of them give is that if we were truly living in the last days, jehovah would not have allowed the door to door preaching work, and kingdom hall meetings to stop for over a year.. the elders have talked to some of them and tried to convince them that letter writing is accomplishing the same thing as door to door, and zoom is the same as meetings-----------but my relatives just won’t buy it anymore.

just a note here, at first, the kingdom hall lock-downs, and the no preaching door to door was not that bad,the relatives still held on to their faith strongly because they believed it was temporary.

pistolpete

We don’t, therefore, need commanding to be good; it happens quite naturally as a function of our evolved nature.

True, even babies understand early what is good and what is bad to some extent.

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What do you think will be different in the Organization after the pandemic is over?

by ExCircuitOverseer in

jw
friends

whether they go back to door-to-door or not, what will be different?

do you think there will be a noticeable drop-off in attendance as we have read on here that many have left or faded?

will there be a mass selling of halls?

pistolpete

I know that more than half of my jw family has woken up or is in the process of waking up. And I have a HUGH FAMILY of jws. Brothers, sisters, step brothers and step sisters, all their children, nieces, nephews, uncles, aunts, etc.

Heck, a lot of the young kids are already planning on going to trade school full time and ditching all Kingdom Hall activities. I've been getting lots of calls for advice on this.

Even the OLD ones who are still strong believers have already said they are never going back to doing door to door work. They have said that if the door to door work was so important to Jehovah, ---He would have never allowed it to be stopped for over a year. That being said, they don't believe the door to door work is a requirement anymore, regardless of what the elders say.

Don't know about other Countries, but in the USA, I think this is the case for most jws under 50 years of age.

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Should “Children” Be Allowed To Decide That They Want To Change Their Birth Sex?

by minimus in

jw
friends

does a child have the right to decide that he or she is not comfortable with their gender and so would want to change from being a boy to a girl and vice versa?

?.

pistolpete

The problem seems to be the NEW GENERATION'S WAY OF THINKING AND SEEING THINGS.

I have a feeling in 50 years they will be changing children's sex at a very young age, like 3-4 years old and everyone will accept it.

This is a preview of what humanity can expect in the future.

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Are You Concerned About Inflation?

by Simon in

i saw a statistic the other day that something like 25% of all the debt that the us has incurred since 1776 was created in the last 12 months.

that's because they have printed so much currency and instead of letting that stop them, they are going to continue printing more to go on a spending spree on crazy green-new-deal schemes and union handouts.. does anyone think that this can be anything other than inflationary?

they are effectively stealing the wealth of everyone to then hand money out to people.

pistolpete

Instead of taking my taxes why don't they just print the equivalent instead?

Because giving it away to the low life promises VOTES IN THE FUTURE.

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Do you sometimes bemoan the LOST idea, or Belief, that Someone Powerful was going to set all things right?

by pistolpete in

so it looks like about half of my jw relatives are not going back to the meetings once they open up the kingdom halls.

the main reason all of them give is that if we were truly living in the last days, jehovah would not have allowed the door to door preaching work, and kingdom hall meetings to stop for over a year.. the elders have talked to some of them and tried to convince them that letter writing is accomplishing the same thing as door to door, and zoom is the same as meetings-----------but my relatives just won’t buy it anymore.

just a note here, at first, the kingdom hall lock-downs, and the no preaching door to door was not that bad,the relatives still held on to their faith strongly because they believed it was temporary.

pistolpete

At some level they understand the reality that the world's a rough place, that might be what drew them in or kept them in the religion with its hopes of righting wrongs and making everything right one day.

I agree! I believe that's the reason why the jws still in will continue to stay in regardless of any bad the organization does. No matter how bad the publicity.

these days, I'm simply taking a "wait and see" attitude about the "big picture". I figure that if there is a God and he/she has good things in store for mankind, there's no reason I shouldn't be a part of it as well.

I take the same approach. For years I've been trying to find some evidence of a good God, but nothing yet. Who knows what the future brings.

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Do you sometimes bemoan the LOST idea, or Belief, that Someone Powerful was going to set all things right?

by pistolpete in

so it looks like about half of my jw relatives are not going back to the meetings once they open up the kingdom halls.

the main reason all of them give is that if we were truly living in the last days, jehovah would not have allowed the door to door preaching work, and kingdom hall meetings to stop for over a year.. the elders have talked to some of them and tried to convince them that letter writing is accomplishing the same thing as door to door, and zoom is the same as meetings-----------but my relatives just won’t buy it anymore.

just a note here, at first, the kingdom hall lock-downs, and the no preaching door to door was not that bad,the relatives still held on to their faith strongly because they believed it was temporary.

pistolpete

So it looks like about half of my JW relatives are not going back to the meetings once they open up the Kingdom halls.

The main reason all of them give is that if we were truly living in the last days, Jehovah would not have allowed the door to door preaching work, and Kingdom Hall meetings to STOP for over a year.

The elders have talked to some of them and tried to convince them that letter writing is accomplishing the same thing as door to door, and Zoom is the same as meetings-----------but my relatives just won’t buy it anymore.

Just a note here, at first, the Kingdom Hall lock-downs, and the No preaching door to door was not that bad,the relatives still held on to their faith strongly because they believed it was temporary. But after several months with no end in sight, they were so confused and depressed, they went on the internet LOOKING FOR ANSWERS, because the elders and the branch had no answers.

All of them ACCIDENTALLY found out several things like 607 not being the real date Jerusalem fell, Child abuse in the organization, and a lot of other things.

And they were pissed off, but it wasn’t the end of the world.

But then, it dawn on them what that meant.

The WORST THING OF ALL is----Finding out that there is not going to be a God of Justice that is going to step in and make all things right.

Like resurrect those millions of innocent mothers, fathers, children, young couples that were gassed in concentration camps during the Nazi regime.

Like resurrect the millions of people who have been burned alive, thrown into the Roman games to be eaten by lions, torn apart by hyenas, beautiful young girls force to be raped before they reach puberty.

Like getting rid of all the evil people in the world who have trafficked, murdered, raped, other human beings.

Like giving children who died early of cancer or birth defects, another chance of the real life.

Being shocked that there is going to be NO resurrection for your parents, children, wife or husband that has died. The idea that You’ll never see them again is unbearable.

The feeling of being Deeply Sadden that,we will NEVER BE ALIVE AGAIN, just like we were not alive for billions and billions of years.

This is the only thing that I just can’t help my relatives with. There is nothing I can say to comfort them. And now most of them have done the research on the Bible and know it’s not God’s inspired Word. So they found out all on their own, without any help from me, that the paradise earth hope was just a story made up by some ancient people, and then the story was deified and made true by others wanting it to be true so badly. .

Do you ever look back, ----and LAMENT--------to those days BEFORE you started seeing the hypocrisy,

before you started questioning the Organization.

When you really believed With all your heart and soul that it was TRUE!

before you found out “Things” on the internet,

When you still had that feeling and Belief of complete security, that One Day Jehovah was going to come down and Set things straight, and remove all evil persons from the earth, and resurrect all those people that deserved a second chance, including the people you’ve love and lost.

And the feeling that if by some chance you died, -----You Would Eventually be Back in a Better World.

That’s what messing up my jw relatives that are waking up.

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JW Online University

by Tim207 in

i have a family member who is a remote bethelite and they are working on creating content for online "university" for bethelites to teach them skills that are needed at bethel.

from what i've seen it is a lot of recorded content saved on their sharepoint sites.

i haven't seen any information on this from this site or reddit which i'm more active on.

pistolpete

However, it would require instructors who learned their trade in the real world

But the governing Body DOES have experience. They know how to MAKE BILLIONS, and use Government law to evade taxes and swindle many out of their estates. And it all legal!