folks: regarding all the recent changes about dis-fellowshipping and time for re-instatement.
(and, even speaking to persons who are dis-fellowshpped.
) back in 1972, a new book was released at the summer district convention, that replaced the yellow-colored "lamp": book.
Yes I remember talking to older ones and they say there was a time when the DF rules lightened up but people went to far resume family relationships. Then they said there is no need for them to get reinstated so they made the rules really strict again.
what will happen with this new flip flop this time?
there are no serious consequences for doubting the gb.
there are no consequences for going against the direction.
we can now celebrate anything.. what will happen if you take blood, celebrate xmas and birthdays ect?.
The new direction is if the person says they are repentant then that is enough.
Its gone from what the elders say to what the sinner says
during lett’s announcement that beards are now allowed he elaborated at some length how brothers ought to feel and react to the change in policy.
he warned brothers not to resent not being able to grow beards earlier if they had wished to do so.
he also warned brothers who supported the old policy not to allow themselves to wonder what the point of doing so was now that it has changed.
Being a JW from now on is totally different from only recent times. For the easy stuff you can now have a beard and wear jumpers no need to have a suit and tie anymore.
On a deeper lever You can basically do whatever you want. Sex, blood, smoking, drugs, rock and roll.
What will happen is elders will ask are you showing genuine repentance. If you say you are then that is enough. If the elders don’t think you are telling the truth that you have stopped they will inform you that they have decided to DF you.
You can appeal and tell the new bothers that those last elders had it in for you and you really are sorry. On that appeal the direction is that the elders have to take your word for it that you are really repentant.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out because there is a loophole where JWs can get away with anything now.
It will be interesting if someone tries it like they celebrate Xmas every year and then say they are repentant every time. Will the elders follow the new direction?
The worst that could ever happen is you get the 90 day sanction after xmas every year but after a few times the elders probably wouldn’t bother DFing you for 90 days
the latest study edition mentions hypothetical scenarios of jws who are no longer serving at bethel or no longer elders, etc.
and says we shouldn't speculate, as defaming them could border on slander.. we could unintentionally defame someone by spreading negative information.
..... would it be proper to speculate on the reasons why these adjustments were made and to share that opinion with others?.
If someone doesn’t want people speculating then tell the truth. You can’t just say we won’t tell but please don’t speculate. You have to set the record straight
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
That elder is wrong. It’s only apostasy the kind Lloyd Evans is doing. Or promoting serious sin which I’m not sure what it means.
Everything else you are only DFed for 90 days
for those of you who are pimo, how do you feel it may be effecting your mental and physical health?
is it easy to pretend to be what you are not?
how do you feel about falsely supporting the pimi which builds them up and therefore an org you don't believe in?
It’s not a toll.
Being a JW from now on is totally different from only recent times.
You can basically do whatever you want. Sex, blood, smoking, drugs, rock and roll.
What will happen is elders will ask are you showing genuine repentance. If you say you are then that is enough. If the elders don’t think you are telling the truth that you have stopped they will inform you that they have decided to DF you.
You can appeal and tell the new bothers that those last elders had it in for you and you really are sorry. On that appeal the direction is that the elders have to take your word for it that you are really repentant.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out because there is a loophole where JWs can get away with anything now.
in a span of a few months time, we have had many unexpected changes announced by the jw organization.
some here have expressed the belief that a great number of witnesses will leave the religion.
in fact, there is a great probability the opposite will be true.. yeah, ancient hardliners will have a hard time assimilating these changes, but the younger generation will likely welcome these changes.
Being a JW from now on is totally different from only recent times.
You can basically do whatever you want. Sex, blood, smoking, drugs, rock and roll.
What will happen is elders will ask are you showing genuine repentance. If you say you are then that is enough. If the elders don’t think you are telling the truth that you have stopped they will inform you that they have decided to DF you.
You can appeal and tell the new bothers that those last elders had it in for you and you really are sorry. On that appeal the direction is that the elders have to take your word for it that you are really repentant.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out because there is a loophole where JWs can get away with anything now.
i was really excited about all the wonderful news related to these changes.
i disassociated back in 2019 and my parents have not spoken with me since then.
my brother who never got baptized kind of serves as a liaison between me and my parents as they will not contact me directly.
"to question the GB is to question jehovah".
Things have changed. The vaccine mandate changed eve and it’s been downhill from there.
A vast number questioned them pushing the vax and many of these went against direction and did not get any vaccine at all, many more went against direction to stay fully vaccinated and stopped getting their boosters.
They now say the GB is not inspired or infallible so maybe they made a mistake saying the vaccine is safe?
I know others talking about Steve Lett saying babies were little enemies of God. They all said he was wrong. And they said that was a silly thing to say.
loads more examples like that, are they all apostate? No not at all.
In the congregations many are now saying we will get more new light which means they doubt the current understanding the GB have. This is not apostate.
If you make videos or write a book something along those lines then you are spreading apostate material this is how far you have to go
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
I was just watching his second to latest video review of 2023 worst videos. He says please forgive me if I don’t cover the same things I have all covered and then does exactly that.
He even says if Tibor is gracious so I’m not sure if this was filmed a long time ago?
one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.
he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .
what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.
This is one of the best videos that describes what all dfed ones are going through now
https://youtu.be/-_1cV350OfM?si=Zd6kyoqETN5bY6P3
I wonder how many millions of dfed ones have gotten calls from family or friends and then elder’s contacted them?
it could be in the tens of millions
