for me, the word was "loving".. great "loving" kindness.. great undeserved "loving" kindness!.
disfellowshipping is a "loving" provision.. when the wtbts want their accolytes to swallow another bitter pill, another restriction, another rebuke, another demand on time, the buzz word is "loving".. the "loving" word, is, to the average jw, the same as the mccabe nod is to the salesman.
the mccabe nod is used by salesman all the time to get the prospective customer to agree to something that he doesn't care for too much.
soon
Whenever I read this word in a WT I could literally grab a knife and kill. "Soon" by whose clock? What does "soon" mean??
The other one I hated was "system of things ". What sort of "things"? Green slippery slimy "things"? Metallic springy wiry "things"? And can you have a system of something other than "things"? Isn't the "things" redundant?
They're insane.
The Pope
i recently (re-) read this poem written by his bobness.
and i thought it offers excellent advice to anyone facing a meeting.
with the elders (as sometimes is discussed here.
I recently (re-) read this poem written by His Bobness
and I thought it offers excellent advice to anyone facing a meeting
with the Elders (as sometimes is discussed here.) The last bit is great! Actually its all great!
Here is the poenm (I hope its legal to paste it in full??)
The Pope
Advice for Geraldine on her Miscellaneous Birthday
stay in line. stay in step. people
are afraid of someone who is not
in step with them. it makes them
look foolish t' themselves for
being in step. it might even
cross their minds that they themselves
are in the wrong step. do not run
nor cross the red line. if you go
too far out in any direction, they
will lose sight of you. they'll feel
threatened. thinking that they are
not a part of something that they
saw go past them, they'll feel
something's going on up there that
they don't know about. revenge
will set in. they will start thinking
of how t' get rid of you. act
mannerly towards them. if you don't,
they will take it personal. as you
come directly in contact face t' face
do not make it a secret of how
much you need them. if they sense
that you have no need for them,
the first thing they will do is
try t' make you need them. if
this doesn't work, they will tell
you of how much they don't need
you. if you do not show any sadness
at a remark such as this, they
will immediately tell other people
of how much they don't need you.
your name will begin t' come up
in circles where people gather
to tell about all the people they
don't need. you will begin t' get
famous this way. this, though, will
only get the people who you don't need
in the first place
all the more madder.
you will become
a whole topic of conversation.
needless t' say, these people
who don't need you will start
hating themselves for needing t' talk
about you. then you yourself will
start hating yourself for causing so
much hate. as you can see, it will
all end in one great gunburst.
never trust a cop in a raincoat.
when asked t' define yourself exactly,
say you are an exact mathematician.
do not say or do anything that
he who standing in front of you
watching cannot understand, he will
feel you know something he
doesn't. he will react with blinding
speed and write your name down.
talk on his terms. if his terms
are old-fashioned an' you've
passed that stage all the more easier
t' get back there. say what he
can understand clearly. say it simple
t' keep your tongue out of your
cheek. after he hears you, he can
label you good or bad. anyone will
do. t' some people, there is only
good an' bad. in any case, it will
make him feel somewhat important.
it is better t' stay away from
these people. be careful of
enthusiasm...it is all temporary
an' don't let it sway you. when asked
if you go t' church, always answer
yes, never look at your shoes. when
asked you you think of gene autrey
singing of hard rains gonna fall say
that nobody can sing it as good as
peter, paul and mary. at the mention
of the president's name, eat a pint of
yogurt an' go t' sleep early...when
asked if you're a communist, sing
america the beautiful in an
italian accent. beat up nearest
street cleaner. if by any
chance you're caught naked in a
parked car, quick turn the radio on
full blast an' pretend
that you're driving. never leave
the house without a jar of peanut
butter. do not wear
matched socks. when asked to do 100
pushups always smoke a pound
of deodorant beforehand.
when asked if you're a capitalist, rip
open your shirt, sing buddy can
you spare a dime with your
right foot forward an' proceed t'
chew up a dollar bill.
do not sign any dotted line. do not
fall in trap of criticizing people
who do nothing else but criticize.
do Not create anything. it will be
misinterpreted. it will not change.
it will follow you the
rest of your life. when asked what you
do for a living say you laugh for
a living. be suspicious of people
who say that if you are not nice
t' them, they will commit suicide.
when asked if you care about
the world's problems, look deeply
into the eyes of he that asks
you, he will not ask you again. when
asked if you've spent time in jail,
announce proudly that some of your
best friends've asked you that.
beware of bathroom walls that've not
been written on. when told t' look at
yourself...never look. when asked
t' give your real name...never give it.
Bob's Written Word
okay fess up: whats your handle mean?.
my handle: mindchild comes from computer scientist and futurist dr. hans moravec: who wrote the book, the future of robot and human intelligence which is a book about when we will be able to construct machines capable of human intelligence and raises the possibility of uploading ourselves (every thought we ever had) into an android body much superior to the human ones we have now.
i entertain the hope that not only will i live long enough to see this happen, i will transfer myself (the complete essence of what is me) into a body of my own choosing and become immortal if i so choose.
(BTW I've never fessed before!)
Pope of Eruke:
Not a real person, just a jokey made up name. Eruke is Greek for
restrain, curb, hold back. The Pope of Restraint.
i was wondering today.
what if the witnesses did not have a policy of disfellowshipping those that are apostates.
what would the congregations be like?
Sadiejive wrote:
The thing is, that they perpetually reason that one cannot take one scripture out and isolate it from the bible in its entirety...that is "taking it out of context". But they do this with this scripture.
Not only do they do this with scriptures, but also with single words out of scriptures. Like the "abstain" in "abstain from blood" from Acts 15:29. They rave on how "abstain" means keep completely separate, avoiding in any way shape or form (Remember the famous analogy about the alcoholic being told by his doctor to "abstain from alcohol"..)
Yet turn over a few pages and in another scripture the same NWT says to "abstain from fleshly desires". Wouldn't this mean no one should ever have a nookie? Why doesn't "abstain" here get the same heavy treatment as Acts 15:29? In my 35 years in Jw-dom I never even heard this 2nd scripture discussed. They just pick and choose wherever and whatever they want.
Pope
i came here by chance...looking for none other than jw material:) i am currently studying with jw's and attend the kh but am not baptized, as are none of the members of my fam...yet.
i've been studying for almost 4 years with the witnesses.
i am confused...that's the simplest way of putting it.
Hallo!
Its good you've located this board, I think you might find some 'truth' here......
And always remember, "when somethin's not right, its wrong"....
Pope
back in 1970, i found myself moving into one of the largest council estates in the uk.
leigh park is a massive housing complex owned by portsmouth city council.
it houses those who cant afford their own homes by offering subsidised rents.
.....And I thought coitus interruptus was pretty bad, but this is a million times worse! (episodis interruptus, anyone?)
Post Part 2 now E'man, or the fate of Onan be upon your head! (make sure you have a towel handy...)
Pope
back in 1970, i found myself moving into one of the largest council estates in the uk.
leigh park is a massive housing complex owned by portsmouth city council.
it houses those who cant afford their own homes by offering subsidised rents.
Angharad
I know I am only new here, but if I asked nicely, could I mess with your profile a bit as well?
Pope
PS Good story Eman! It would be more convincing however if you actually had some scans or other hard evidence (no pun intended) on the actual contents of those glossy magazines.
today i woke up and my left sock was missing.
i blame them.
filthy sock bastards.
It was my girlfriend, she really loves cooking socks.
Lucky me!
The Pope
(if you want to see my girlfriend cook my Sock, go here: . http://www.merriol.freeserve.co.uk/ )
whats a-goin' on here?.
i've never seen so many uk posters climbing aboard the 'postasy express.
is there a general tightening up occuring?
I think English people have been let down by a lot of their long-cherished establishments in general...
Take the English Cricket team..........(please!!!!)
Pope
i have been searching for jehovah!
and i found him 38 times on ebay...have a look at the items below.... the pope.
watchtower pro-jehovah's witnesses book (new) $19.99 .
I have been searching for Jehovah!
And I found him 38 times on EBay...have a look at the items below...
The Pope
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