Posts by PopeOfEruke

ok, this post isn't out to prove anything, other than i've got too much time on my hands, which alot of you know that already.. over my morning coffee this morning i decided to read the section of the bible dealing with nimrod and the tower of babel.

i have two bibles at home the nwt and the new american standard.

heres what th nwt says at gen 10:9.

PopeOfEruke

Will

Bless you, my son!

The Pope

40

Another NWT Mistranslation?

by Sargon in

ok, this post isn't out to prove anything, other than i've got too much time on my hands, which alot of you know that already.. over my morning coffee this morning i decided to read the section of the bible dealing with nimrod and the tower of babel.

i have two bibles at home the nwt and the new american standard.

heres what th nwt says at gen 10:9.

PopeOfEruke

Will

I would really appreciate that link, if its not too much trouble for you to find it.

Great information here!!!

The Pope

59

What's yer favourite TV Comedy of all time?

by VioletAnai in

jw
friends

mine would definitely have to be the young ones.

i'm such a sucker for brit humour.

just the thought of viv and rick - cracks me up.. what gets you giggling away?

PopeOfEruke

Ven

ahh yes, the old fake phone in the Popehat trick! Second time I've fallen for it this week?

And VioletAnai, I thought Farkel was calling the lurkers the idiots, not us. Or???

The Pope

59

What's yer favourite TV Comedy of all time?

by VioletAnai in

jw
friends

mine would definitely have to be the young ones.

i'm such a sucker for brit humour.

just the thought of viv and rick - cracks me up.. what gets you giggling away?

PopeOfEruke

Ven, you actually look like 99 too!

The Pope

59

What's yer favourite TV Comedy of all time?

by VioletAnai in

jw
friends

mine would definitely have to be the young ones.

i'm such a sucker for brit humour.

just the thought of viv and rick - cracks me up.. what gets you giggling away?

PopeOfEruke

Farkel

the lurking JW's and the people who are hurting are not idiots, like you say. Well, at least not all of them.

The Pope

59

What's yer favourite TV Comedy of all time?

by VioletAnai in

jw
friends

mine would definitely have to be the young ones.

i'm such a sucker for brit humour.

just the thought of viv and rick - cracks me up.. what gets you giggling away?

PopeOfEruke

Whats wrong with you people??

Get Smart is the greatest comedy TV show ever made, no question!

Would you believe, the 2nd greatest?

The Pope

40

Another NWT Mistranslation?

by Sargon in

ok, this post isn't out to prove anything, other than i've got too much time on my hands, which alot of you know that already.. over my morning coffee this morning i decided to read the section of the bible dealing with nimrod and the tower of babel.

i have two bibles at home the nwt and the new american standard.

heres what th nwt says at gen 10:9.

PopeOfEruke

This is a very interesting discussion...thanks for everyones effort.

How does one refute the official WT explanation as listed below??

The Pope

*** it-2 9-10 Jehovah ***
Why is the divine name in its full form not in any available ancient manuscript of the Christian Greek Scriptures?
The argument long presented was that the inspired writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures made their quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures on the basis of the Septuagint, and that, since this version substituted Ky'ri·os or The·os' for the Tetragrammaton, these writers did not use the name Jehovah. As has been shown, this argument is no longer valid. Commenting on the fact that the oldest fragments of the Greek Septuagint do contain the divine name in its Hebrew form, Dr. P. Kahle says: “We now know that the Greek Bible text [the Septuagint] as far as it was written by Jews for Jews did not translate the Divine name by kyrios, but the Tetragrammaton written with Hebrew or Greek letters was retained in such MSS [manuscripts]. It was the Christians who replaced the Tetragrammaton by kyrios, when the divine name written in Hebrew letters was not understood any more.” (The Cairo Geniza, Oxford, 1959, p. 222) When did this change in the Greek translations of the Hebrew Scriptures take place?
It evidently took place in the centuries following the death of Jesus and his apostles. In Aquila’s Greek version, dating from the second century C.E., the Tetragrammaton still appeared in Hebrew characters. Around 245 C.E., the noted scholar Origen produced his Hexapla, a six-column reproduction of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures: (1) in their original Hebrew and Aramaic, accompanied by (2) a transliteration into Greek, and by the Greek versions of (3) Aquila, (4) Symmachus, (5) the Septuagint, and (6) Theodotion. On the evidence of the fragmentary copies now known, Professor W. G. Waddell says: “In Origen’s Hexapla . . . the Greek versions of Aquila, Symmachus, and LXX [Septuagint] all represented JHWH by ; in the second column of the Hexapla the Tetragrammaton was written in Hebrew characters.” (The Journal of Theological Studies, Oxford, Vol. XLV, 1944, pp. 158, 159) Others believe the original text of Origen’s Hexapla used Hebrew characters for the Tetragrammaton in all its columns. Origen himself stated that “in the most accurate manuscripts THE NAME occurs in Hebrew characters, yet not in today’s Hebrew [characters], but in the most ancient ones.”
As late as the fourth century C.E., Jerome, the translator of the Latin Vulgate, says in his prologue to the books of Samuel and Kings: “And we find the name of God, the Tetragrammaton [i.e., ], in certain Greek volumes even to this day expressed in ancient letters.” In a letter written at Rome, 384 C.E., Jerome states: “The ninth [name of God] is the Tetragrammaton, which they considered [a·nek·pho'ne·ton], that is, unspeakable, and it is written with these letters, Iod, He, Vau, He. Certain ignorant ones, because of the similarity of the characters, when they would find it in Greek books, were accustomed to read  [Greek letters corresponding to the Roman letters PIPI].”—Papyrus Grecs Bibliques, by F. Dunand, Cairo, 1966, p. 47, ftn. 4.
The so-called Christians, then, who “replaced the Tetragrammaton by kyrios” in the Septuagint copies, were not the early disciples of Jesus. They were persons of later centuries, when the foretold apostasy was well developed and had corrupted the purity of Christian teachings.—2Th 2:3; 1Ti

40

Copping Out?

by IslandWoman in

jw
friends

are we copping out if we blame the watchtower for almost everything that went wrong in our watchtower life?.

most of us knew the rules.

most of us had the opportunity to read and study their publications and the bible.

PopeOfEruke

IW

If as an adult I felt that the preaching was stupid, that the blood policy was wrong, that shunning was wrong but nevertheless stayed with the religion it then becomes my decision and therefore my responsibility.

I don't share this view with you, even though I know it may be strictly true in a legal sense.

I consider that my "indoctrination" from birth till adulthood sufficiently distorted my sense of right and wrong, to such an extent that as an adult and in the 'truth" I was unable to make a clear decision.

Its like when a terrorist holds a gun to the hostage soldiers head (maybe off camera) and the hostage reads an announcement claiming how wrong the USA is etc etc. The hostage knows what he is saying is wrong but as he is under mental duress that act of "treason" is not held against him.

I believe the emotional blackmail of my mother and other JW family members, even as an adult, is the "gun against my head" and therefore frees me of any responsibilty.

Anyway thats my story and I'm sticking with it!

But I am well and truly over any distress, even though talking to my mother usually leaves me, nervous, or frustrated or something like that.

Hope it works out for you. Don't let the bastards get you down!

The Pope