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  Anyone use to have horrible nightmares as a child & afriad of the dark due to all the Watchtower Society talk of Demons and Satan??

  by mind blown in

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  as a little child i used to have horrible, horrible nightmares do to all the satan/ demon and big a talk.

  i was also horrified of the dark for the same reason.

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  jemba

  Welcome Socrates.

  Yes it is definetely a form of abuse feeding this shite to kids. I was the oldest of 5 kids all scared of the dark and obsessed with demons lurking somewhere to get us.

  But the big A was the biggest fear I had all my life and as someone else mentioned I even felt at 6 yrs of age that I wasnt worthy of everlasting life due to all the terribly naughty things I did. Of course JW parents dont help when they use armageddon at every opportunity to scare the hell out of you cause you complained about doing the dishes or something.

  Looks like Caleb isnt the only one scared of dissappointing Jeh and dying at armaggedon.

  It was a real eye opener when my own kids started to show fear about armaggedon or demons and I just didnt know how to explain it to them when I feared the same things myself.
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  My email to my mother - sorry a bit long

  by darthweef in

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  hello - i am new here .. just joined a couple of days ago, and have enjoyed the bit of lurking that i have done.

  a breif history, i was raised as a jw, was active until i was 36, and was a regular pioneer for 7 years and a ministerial servant for 5 years, and was one when i left.

  my reasons for leaving are not important at this point, but i have spent the last year or so researching the flood and more extensively the theory of evolution.. i have finally decided to broach the topic with my mother since after all this time, the last of my jw friends and my brother and sister have all decided that they should shun me now, and i want to make a last ditch effort to convey to my mother that i didn't leave the organization so i could do lines of coke off a cheap hooker, but because i actually believe that this is not the truth.. i'd love some feedback on the email and what you think the possibility of it actually breaking through the "permafrost" created by the society.

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  jemba

  Welcome Darthweef. Thankyou for sharing this very personal conversation.

  I too have to have this conversation at some stage with my folks. For now they think Im having a break due to depression and stress brought on by all the duties a JW needs to fulfill.

  Its good to see that your Mum is well written and obviously no dummy like many dubs.

  My Dad is the well read, educated one so he is the one I hope will one day see the light, hes also VERY much into the troof, as a PO etc. My Mum will be stuck in forever if someone doesnt explain it to her in preschool terms and then physically take her out of the org.

  Like you I truly hope they realise before they die of old age that they are being duped.

  Good luck with future chats. Feel free to share with us if youre comfortable. Many of us are in a similar position.
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  If you never have used the internet, would you have returned to the borg or stay in the organization?

  by Iamallcool in

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  if i have never used the internet, i would probably return to the borg by now.

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  Im with MidwichCuckoo, 100% my experience as well.

  Id already left physically, couldnt stand anything JW. I definetely had doubts but still thought it was the true religion.

  The internet set me free mentally. No more guilt and fear.
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  My nine grievances against the Society from BEFORE I had ever visited a single apostate website...

  by cedars in

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  i mentioned on a recent thread by irondork that my wife recently showed me a handwritten list of grievances i had against the society from before i had ever visited a single apostate website (apart from wikipedia).

  the thread is below:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/226934/1/how-did-you-long-timers-do-it-before-the-internet-ray-franz-books-abundant-information.

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  jemba

  I think its a great idea to make a list of your own grievances with the WTBTS.

  It helps cement your decision to leave, helps in your arguments with family and just to reaffirm that you have definetely made a good decision.

  Thanks Cedars, I totally agree with all of these points, Im off to make my own list.
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  How many here smoke?

  by cantleave in

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  i don't and am very unlikely to after seeing my father dying of a smoking related lung disease (even though i would like to try a high quality cigar).. but i am curious to see how many people take up smoking after leaving the org.. .

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  Ive smoked a few as jw but never really cared for them. Usually smoked one if out drinking: once in a blue moon.

  But it could never be an addiction for me as it gives me head spins and I'd never allow myself to get hooked as its a killer on your health and pocket. $10+ for a pack of 20 here in Australia as far as I know. Heavily taxed.

  So yeah probably about 20 cigarettes in my whole life... and only as a dub. I guess that means I was just rebelling.
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  How Will The Watchtower Handle Disclosure?

  by metatron in

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  for me, the disclosure of ufo's as being real is just matter of time.

  it's not a matter of any mayan calendar or galactic alignment.

  it's simply the eventual outcome of increasing and increasingly bold ufo observations.

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  JWFacts has a similar explanation to 'The athiests book of bible stories' on the alien/UFO subject. If you have a look at the timeline in that book it kinda makes sense that we are not making contact at the same time in millions of years of time.
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  How did you long-timers do it before the internet / Ray Franz books / abundant information?

  by irondork in

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  with all the tools and information at the disposal of newly awakened ones, it's still no easy task coming to terms with the magnitude of it all.

  it still takes a lot of gut-wrenching time and effort to get to the point where you are sure you made the right decision to leave.. .

  how did you long-timers (old-timers, respectfully) manage it without crisis of conscience, christian freedom, jwn, jwfacts, freeminds, access to thousands of fellow survivors with stories just like yours?.

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  jemba

  Things never seemed quite right to me even as a child. Disfellowshippings busting up families, gossip and exclusion of people who just didnt fit, the harshness of the bible stories... like the ark of the covenant being caught by someone who would do what any other person would do if a sacred thing was about to fall to the ground, yet God kills him? The innocent children and animals being drowned in the flood. etc

  So many things that weakened my trust in the org. I faded for many years, made a comeback for a few months then faded again. It just didnt feel right.

  It took an innocent internet search to find my way to this site and find out the real truth.... it aint the truth. So I give full credit to the internet for getting me out mentally, it was such a relief to not worry about armaggedon and god hating me.

  Thankyou JWN and internet, if not for you i may still be anxious and depressed.
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  Elders Can Hide their Own Sins from the Past-Yet Continue as Elders? Read

  by flipper in

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  i was shocked ( though i probably shouldn't have been ) when reading the new elders manual concerning whether elders have to confess up about former sins from a few years earlier.

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  38 , paragraph 19 : it states, " if it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past : the body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true : the immorality or other serious wrongdoing occured more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned.

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  Thanks for this thread Flipper.

  Definetely hypocritical and unfair! You can totally use this as proof that the holy spirit has nothing to do with this stupid religion.

  But thats the org for you and thats why we left.
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  ny jw principle causes problem banning patriotic song...on foxnews now

  by oompa in

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  god bless the usa song by lee greenwood...is making little kids sing a bieber love song instead lmao...baby baby baby....and it is a very long segment with lee himself making good points about the idiot jw as did the mom of a kid the jw lady principle bitch slapped for singing the song...that is not literal all you pc sensitive types out there.....oompa.

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  jemba

  Why must those stupid dubs draw attention to themselves and their ridiculous beliefs?

  They might as well get up on a platform and yell 'look at me I am an idiot, I want to stand out and be different'!

  The JW kids at my sons school look pretty stupid when they wont stand or sing the national anthem on Mondays and Fridays and get taken out of their class during any celebrations.

  Gotta feel sorry for the kids.
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  In my day...

  by GeneM in

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  whats up with the bling'd out, kid raising governing body?

  in my day governing body members we really old.. those were the days....

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  Yeah some really young 'elders' in my area. Love to wipe the cocky smart ass grin off a few of their faces too.