Maybe the old GB guys believe in the curse of Ham or simply the concept that heaven is light and the great White throne
JoenB75
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why are all pictures of heaven in wt all white males?
by Yomama inis that the ultimate for anyone going to heaven?.
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Serial killer JW hopes to go to heaven soon.
by Lost in the fog inguess that is the sort of person being attracted to the truth these days!.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-thinks-22976938.
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JoenB75
"The source added Sutcliffe believed all Jehovah’s Witnesses are guaranteed a place in heaven regardless of their past." This must be new light or he is not entirely instructed in "accurate knowledge"
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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL
by Longlivetherenegades init is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .
for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.
from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.
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JoenB75
Hi Sea Breeze,
If our destiny is not to be like angels, why is Jesus saying:
Mark 12:25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Orthodoxy socalled, wants 1 Corinthians 15 to deal with the body only. But as we see in the early passages of the chapter, the soul is lost without the resurrection he speaks so. So he is not appearing to believe in the existence of disembodied spirits like orthodoxy socalled (and JW regarding the 144,000 I think). There is a heavenly body (1 Cor 15:40). The Christian faith is of no use if man is not raised. The saints were not partying in "the good part of Hades" (Luke 16) that is just a symbolic presentation of the judgment upon Israel AD 33-70. As the more liberal and famous Greek scholar William Barclay recognises, Paul is speaking of the holistic existence of man. It is not so complicated to Paul (albeit miracolous), man is now corruptible but will become incorruptible:
"But Paul never said that we would rise with the body with which we died. He insisted that we would have a spiritual body. What he really meant was that a man's personality would survive. It is almost impossible to conceive of personality without a body, because it is through the body that the personality expresses itself. What Paul is contending for is that after death the individual remains. He did not inherit the Greek contempt of the body but believed in the resurrection of the whole man. He will still be himself; he will survive as a person. That is what Paul means by the resurrection of the body. Everything of the body and of the soul that is necessary to make a man a person will survive, but, at the same time, all things will be new, and body and spirit will alike be very different from earthly things, for they will alike be divine. "
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/dsb/1-corinthians-15.html
Kurt Simmons and Ed Stevens also wrote about this, from a more conservative perspective, to the Preterist community:
"The eschatological Resurrection of the last day consisted in the spirits in Hades receiving individual, spiritual, immaterial, immortal, and invisible bodies suited to the ethereal realm above. Other views are unsound, and should be rejected."
As for your other quotations, Jesus was raised in his body for a sign of Israel. It is specifically said in Psalm 16:10 that his body would not rot. Like water baptism, it was for signs. Our body rot. Different story. Revelation is all hyper symbolic stuff taking place in the first century, maybe a tiny bit takes place later
Your rendering of 1 Corinthians 15:16-17 is corrupt.
Hope this helps / clarifies
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Matthew 8:11 is FIGURATIVE, Matthew 8:12 is LITERAL
by Longlivetherenegades init is therefore evident that in matthew 8:11 jesus referred to abraham, isaac and jacob figuratively.............. .
for this reason it became necessary that many gentiles (non-jews), like the roman centurion whose faith brought a miraculous cure by jesus, should come “from eastern parts and western parts,” from all around the earth, to become dedicated, baptized christians............... the natural or fleshly jews of the nation of israel claimed to be the “sons of the kingdom” or the prospective members of god’s kingdom.
from the day of pentecost forward they saw the beginning and the gradual development of this theocratic arrangement, but because of their lack of faith in christ they were not in it.
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JoenB75
1 Corinthians 15 is pretty clear that the destiny of man is to have an incorruptible heavenly / angelic body
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Muslim beheads one kills another yelling alahu akbar or what ever it is the idiots yell.
by mickbobcat inidiot muslims do it again.
when will libtards learn.
and now scotland wants to prosecute people for saying things in their own homes the muslims deem hate speech.
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LoveUni, All Europe experience that. Powerful leftwing forces want to destroy the evil western culture and therefore they import mena people. They now might begin to grasp that destructive mena people got an agenda of their own. National minded heroes like Jean Marie Le Pen warned about this for decades and they villified him for it. Suffering is an excellent teaching tool
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Final Prediction on Election
by minimus inwho wins?
who loses?
president/ senate/ house of representatives .
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America has voted for more accursed internationalism, more poverty and more war. As I say in person to anyone who likes this outcome: congratulations. Here in Europe the majority has the frontal lobotomy saying orange man is bad, so they are happy. You will soon be lead by women in their thirties-forties like in Europe. Congrats
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But you told us about those dates.
by Lost in the fog inyou couldn't make it up!
saw this wt quote on a friend's page.
it is from the awake magazine of 1993, march 22nd apparently.
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JoenB75
Wow, the nerve to insert [of 1914] into the Bible verse
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Election Day Violence?
by Iamallcool indo you think there will be violence on election day tomorrow?
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JoenB75
Vanderhoven7, well if you guys offer decent equipment and pay and need a helping hand in the fight for western civilisation, I am sure a number of us in Europe could stand ready to join a European militia
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Election Day Violence?
by Iamallcool indo you think there will be violence on election day tomorrow?
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JoenB75
I pray Trump will win and proper authority bring an end to the loothing.
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Non whites are racists because they notice differences and common traits in races. They have not been taught it is a bad thing. Famous example is the newer chinese advert for laundry soap, where a naughty black guy is lured by a chinese beauty only to be thrown into a washing machine. Up comes a white skinned china man, he has been washed clean 😁😁. I hope the days of unchallenged Western self hatred are coming to an end. Just as the individual needs to be self confident, the Western nations need national pride and selfreservation to protect themselves against less accomplished cultures