Posts by NotFormer

even had a meal in the new dinning room and had a tour.. it was a bit underwhelming and the display of old bibles open to pages showing jehovah’s name is supposed to prove everything they say is spot on!.

everyone is talking about the upcoming dedication where members of the gb are flying over.

NotFormer

Teddnzo: "Everyone is talking about the upcoming dedication where members of the GB are flying over."

I suppose they'll be flying in different planes, like the people who know the Coca-Cola recipe? 🙄

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Goodbye Mother

by punkofnice in

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so my mother passed on 20 aug 23 from the big c. i was there when she went.

that was indeed very traumatic.

i won't go to describe it.. dad went 17 years ago so there's just me now.

NotFormer

To Punkofnice: condolences, my friend! 😞🥺

You come across to me as a pretty level-headed bloke. I'm glad that you were able to the funeral in such a way as to be meaningful for the non-Dubs, while your Mum's JW friends were still allowed to come. That they shunned everybody anyway speaks volumes about them. One picture is worth a thousand words. 🙄

I hope you heal from your loss swiftly and well. 🤞

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

NotFormer

Not that I don't think it's worth trying to save those people. Trying to help them form networks outside of their abusive high control group could be more effective than trying to use the heavy hand of government. But they assume that any outsiders are mentally diseased and part of Satan's organisation. It's clever how self-protecting the whole degenerate and perverted JW system is. There are no easy answers. 😞

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

NotFormer

Lee: How many people have to die?

Hypothetical: every government in the world passes a law that says "Mandatory shunning is a crime" tomorrow. Do you really think a single life will be saved? The Dubs will still shun, the Amish will still shun, the Brethren will still shun. They'll just be cleverer about it. And people will keep dying.

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

NotFormer

jhine11": If the WT were persuaded to change its tune and find new light then shunning could be stopped"

They still claim that they don't punish people for choosing to have blood transfusions. If they lie about that, then they'll lie about shunning. They'll officially "change" the policy so that governments think they have, but they'll have an unofficial "soft shunning" policy that works effectively the same way. The JWs will know who to shun and why, they just won't admit it.

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

NotFormer

I remember an article about 20 years ago where they told adults how to wash their hands. 🙄

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

NotFormer

It's an interesting question, or series of questions: do individuals have the right to be arseholes? Do individuals have the right to belong to a group that tells them to be arseholes? If the individuals willingly decide to be arseholes because the group has told them to, then doesn't the group have the right to continue to tell people to be arseholes?

It's kind of a "consent by the governed" situation. I agree with meanmrmustard: the shunners choose to shun. At the of the day they are responsible for their decision to. Trying to force them through government coercion to do something else is never going to work. If you don't like the rules of the game, don't play it. Walk away.

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Exes: Would You Rat On A Current JW?

by NotFormer in

it's an interesting thought.

if you are an ex jw, presumably dfed, and you see a current jw in good standing engaging in behaviour that would concern their elders, would you pass on that information to interested parties?

do accusations from exes and other outsiders carry any weight?

NotFormer

Foolednomore: Did you demand to know who it was so you could report them for bearing false witness?