Posts by NotFormer

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Women in JW Ministry

by NotFormer in

women make up the main population of the kingdom halls, and the pool of young males willing to step up to "serve" is drying up.

what is the likelihood of "new light" on jw women in ministry roles formerly held only by males?.

That's a very interesting anecdote, Blondie. A bit of pragmatism here, a nod and a wink there. I assume that the WT discouragement of women in "appointments" was about Paul saying that women should not have authority over men or to teach. Even that doesn't preclude women from having support roles, like a bit of back office paperwork. And reading out paragraphs from the WT is hardly teaching; the articles were written by men at Bethel.

BTW, what does a ministerial servant do?

What is the complete list of "appointments" that can be handed out at a Kingdom Hall?

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Women in JW Ministry

by NotFormer in

women make up the main population of the kingdom halls, and the pool of young males willing to step up to "serve" is drying up.

what is the likelihood of "new light" on jw women in ministry roles formerly held only by males?.

NotFormer

Women make up the main population of the Kingdom Halls, and the pool of young males willing to step up to "serve" is drying up. What is the likelihood of "new light" on JW women in ministry roles formerly held only by males?

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BadAss Bethelites, did they really peak in the 1960's?

by was a new boy in

in the 70's a bethel elder told me that every morning in the 60's the paint and scaffold crew, (which was located on the 5th floor of building 4) would go up to the roof and walk around the perimeter on top of the ledge, which i doubt was more than 12" wide.

then they'd go render sacred service to jehovah..

NotFormer

I am showing respect. He could have simply fallen, and the Bethelite leadership decided it was suicide to besmirch his reputation in the eyes of other JWs. My disrespect is for Bethel leadership. I have full sympathy for Mr Olsen, his death is a tragedy, regardless of whether he accidentally fell, or if he was driven to it. I am angry at the reaction of his bosses and wouldn't be surprised if they were the types who would spin Mr Olsen's death to belittle him even further.

Is the full story available in another thread showing respect. He could have simply fallen, and the Bethelite leadership decided it was suicide to besmirch his reputation in the eyes of other JWs. My disrespect is for Bethel leadership. I have full sympathy for Mr Olsen, his death is a tragedy, regardless of whether he accidentally fell, or if he was driven to it. I am angry at the reaction of his bosses and wouldn't be surprised if they were the types who would spin Mr Olsen's death to belittle him even further.

further.

Edited to add: I only had the quoted paragraphs in this thread to go on. After reading the full incident, I see that it was suicide. He is unlikely to have been working around the edges of the building late at night.

I'm still angry at the reprehensible treatment of the Bethel bosses. Did they really wait two days before recovering Mr Olsen's body? What did the authorities have to say about that?

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BadAss Bethelites, did they really peak in the 1960's?

by was a new boy in

in the 70's a bethel elder told me that every morning in the 60's the paint and scaffold crew, (which was located on the 5th floor of building 4) would go up to the roof and walk around the perimeter on top of the ledge, which i doubt was more than 12" wide.

then they'd go render sacred service to jehovah..

NotFormer

"Halloween, 50 years ago, James Olson (Cleaning Dept.)

'I was standing next to Norm Brekey, the ink room overseer. Next to Norm was Tom Combs, the Job Press overseer.

Tom Combs said and I quote "He must have done something really bad to have killed himself!"

Then Norm said and I quote. "I'm glad he jumped off the back of the building and not the front of the building, because we really don't need the extra publicity."

The Love. "

I had a former flatmate of mine (we lived in a church ran boarding house) who committed suicide. If any pastor from the church had said anything like that about him, I would have belted him one!

Were any Bethelites ever pushed too far by that sort of arrogance, to the point that they lashed out?

BTW, did Mr Olsen really jump, or did he accidentally fall while proving his bravery, as mentioned at the start of this thread?

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Need Vocal Renditions of Sing Praises to Jehovah

by cybernyben101 in

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friends

i am looking for vocal renditions of some the kingdom songs in this old songbook: sing praises to jehovah.

most of my favorite kingdom songs are from that songbook and i would love to download them on my phone.

i enjoy listening to vocal renditions of kingdom melodies.

NotFormer

Nostalgia means different things to different people.

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BadAss Bethelites, did they really peak in the 1960's?

by was a new boy in

in the 70's a bethel elder told me that every morning in the 60's the paint and scaffold crew, (which was located on the 5th floor of building 4) would go up to the roof and walk around the perimeter on top of the ledge, which i doubt was more than 12" wide.

then they'd go render sacred service to jehovah..

NotFormer

Were there any casualties?

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JWLITE

by Teddnzo in

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friends

even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.

they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.

i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..

NotFormer

It must all take a psychological toll, eventually.

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Convention Blast

by Zilgee in

jw convention blast in kerala india.

one died.

NotFormer

Which brings up a point made on another thread, how safe is Tony Morris?

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Convention Blast

by Zilgee in

jw convention blast in kerala india.

one died.

NotFormer

"WHY WHY WHY do these terrorists keep targeting ordinary folk who have no power to change anything?"

I remember reading a self-help book where the author basically said that assassins were worse than terrorists (back when the Kennedy era was still relatively fresh). I couldn't understand the logic. An assassin takes risks to go after a powerful person that they believe is responsible for whatever imagined transgression, whereas a terrorist just kills defenseless little people.

Perhaps the GB feels safe in their guarded compound, but Hamas's recent attacks only used equipment that's readily available in the US.

Drearyweather, thanks for the insight. The guy was obviously out to hurt and kill (ordinary and powerless) people. Did he test his system to see if it would work before trying it out for real? Did no-one notice, if he did?

Why did the WT spokesman try to deny that the bloke was even there?

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Convention Blast

by Zilgee in

jw convention blast in kerala india.

one died.

NotFormer

BluesBrother "Perhaps it is time for them to employ professional security guards. As an attendant we knew there were also security guards but although keen…. they were amateurs."

Probably a good idea, but are they going to search every tiffin box? They might want to bring back on site food service if they don't want to have to search everybody's lunch.

Didn't the fact that a bloke on his own had four tiffin boxes raise any eyebrows?