Thanks, no-zombie! That sounds like what I was looking for. That's a good observation about earlier Witnesses brought forward in time and how they might react to the changes that they saw now.
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Former Soviet Country Witnesses who Rebelled Against the GB
by NotFormer ini remember the story going around the traps (here, perhaps?
) a couple of decades ago, about a country formerly behind the iron curtain.
when the soviet union crumbled, the jws were able to re-establish contact with the underground jw movement.
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Internal Watchtower Statistics Re: Disfellowshipping and Shunning
by NotFormer indoes the wt have a person/department/section tasked with compiling data and analysing it statistically.
or have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?.
i ask the question because i'm wondering if such studies and statistical analysis would show any link between the harshness of the disfellowshipping policy as it is applied and the dropout rate of people within the organisation who have just had enough.. in previous threads it has been pointed out that the old approach isn't effective any more.
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"Just a few examples of what happens when speculation is written as fact. Not trying to be mean."
I was being sarcastic when I wrote that. I also changed the position as soon as it was apparent that it was wrong. AFAIK, Rutherford and Knorr never did.
Heck, it wasn't even meant to be a position. It was written as an aside to a question about the WT's use and analysis of their internal data. This whole thread went off on a giant tangent.
Truth be told, I was hoping that if it did go off on a tangent, that we'd be talking about Logan 5 and Jessica 6.
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Former Soviet Country Witnesses who Rebelled Against the GB
by NotFormer ini remember the story going around the traps (here, perhaps?
) a couple of decades ago, about a country formerly behind the iron curtain.
when the soviet union crumbled, the jws were able to re-establish contact with the underground jw movement.
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I remember the story going around the traps (here, perhaps?) a couple of decades ago, about a country formerly behind the iron curtain. When the Soviet Union crumbled, the JWs were able to re-establish contact with the underground JW movement. The story, as I remember it, is that the JWs of that country were still practicing watchtowerism as it was when they were still in contact with Bethel, which was when Rutherford was still alive and kicking! The WT doctrine and practices had changed so much that the country's witnesses rejected the GB and any post Rutherford reforms and continued doing things the way they had for fifty or sixty years.
I'm thinking that the country was Georgia, but it may be Romania. I've tried googling, but haven't been able to find anything concrete yet. Does anyone remember that particular story?
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Internal Watchtower Statistics Re: Disfellowshipping and Shunning
by NotFormer indoes the wt have a person/department/section tasked with compiling data and analysing it statistically.
or have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?.
i ask the question because i'm wondering if such studies and statistical analysis would show any link between the harshness of the disfellowshipping policy as it is applied and the dropout rate of people within the organisation who have just had enough.. in previous threads it has been pointed out that the old approach isn't effective any more.
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NotFormer - “****This is hyperbolic and sarcastic in nature.”
"*****So is this."
It is indeed! 😳
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Albert Delmont Jones
by vienne injones was a principal investor in the knickerbocker bank of new york city.
there was an earlier and defunct bank of the same name.
the bank issued its own currency, a common practice at the time.
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NotFormer
Sounds like a real character! Not really relevant to much that goes on these days, but it makes for an interesting historical footnote. I read a bit about him on the other site. Apparently he had "Royal" as a middle name but eventually dropped using it. As I said before, somewhat of a character.
Edited: Apparently he adopted Royal as his surname! 😱
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They Came To The Door!
by NotFormer ingoing door to door with their "memorial" invitation.
"so you can pass the emblems but nobody partakes?
them: "we can explain who is to partake".. me: "all jesus' followers".
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Vanderhoven7, they weren't there to "discuss the bible" (as per the video) but for the memorial invitation. I suppose I could go to their house and invite them to my church for communion; that church has communion at every Sunday service. And they don't even have to watch the emblems whizz past!
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Does The WT Keep Files On ExJW Activists?
by NotFormer init occurred to me that the wt, if they can identify the activists that are currently campaigning against them, would have a lot of ability to compile detailed dossiers on them.
once identified, the elders of the appropriate congregation could be asked to forward copies of all their membership details held locally.. would they do that, and do such dossiers exist?.
(there are probably data collection rules governing such things in a lot of countries, but by no stretch of the imagination could the wt be considered a good corporate citizen).
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Jan, it's hard to gauge how effective a conversation at the door is in getting the JW to think or question. I doubt that the crossed swords approach of my last two encounters are very effective. When you meet with hostility, you tend to double down.
A kinder gentler conversation may bear more fruit. But they don't seem to want hang around for conversation anymore, even at the rare times they turn up. 😮
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ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.
long island business news.
march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.
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As I understand it, the HQ is now in Warwick. Is that right? Surely that's sufficient for what they do*. Do they need another large facility? Is there an assembly hall at Warwick? If so, are they wanting to distance the GB and Bethel higher-ups further from the great unwashed by giving them an assembly hall between Warwick and NYC?
BTW, whatever happened to Patterson? Two decades ago, everything was moving there, IIRC.
*I called you Shirley again; sorry!
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Internal Watchtower Statistics Re: Disfellowshipping and Shunning
by NotFormer indoes the wt have a person/department/section tasked with compiling data and analysing it statistically.
or have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?.
i ask the question because i'm wondering if such studies and statistical analysis would show any link between the harshness of the disfellowshipping policy as it is applied and the dropout rate of people within the organisation who have just had enough.. in previous threads it has been pointed out that the old approach isn't effective any more.
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Vidiot: "I use this:
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Seems to work most of the time."
You pull that off so well, I wouldn't dare try emulating you! 😉
"IMO, the recent attempts at appearing more mainstream do suggest that alleged insiders’ reports of outside consultants (and the related dismissal of Uncle Tony) are indeed legitimate."
Given that the original question was about crunching the numbers in the WT files, and the WT's stance on higher education would suggest a dearth of number crunchers at Bethel*, should they decide that they want to do that, they might find themselves in the position of needing to engage the help of outsiders. It is not unreasonable to wonder if they may have yielded to that temptation in the many areas where they may find themselves deficient. However, as pointed out in this thread, there is not a lot of real evidence that they are in the habit of engaging outside consultants**.
*The small pool of tertiary educated JWs to draw on due to their stance higher education is pretty well established as fact. There are exceptions, people who decide to get a degree against WT advice, but they are enough of a rarity to be the subject of many a thread***. And, more often than not (I'm now trespassing back into the area of speculation rather than concrete fact), they tend to become exes and may well end up here!
**I read on another thread that the WT has engaged the services of a legal firm that helped the Catholic church with their CSA cases. Is that an established fact?
***And it is said that the WT will send favoured Bethelites to university to get the education they need to function in certain roles. No-one**** ever said that the WT is above pragmatism in the face of principle. "Hypocrisy" might be too strong a word, and perhaps the subject of a different thread. And, of course, many such threads exist.
****This is hyperbolic and sarcastic in nature.
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Albert Delmont Jones
by vienne injones was a principal investor in the knickerbocker bank of new york city.
there was an earlier and defunct bank of the same name.
the bank issued its own currency, a common practice at the time.
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Who was he, and what's the interest?