with the change to reporting field service and now allowing people to repent during the gt, presumably up until armageddon, i'm assuming that the "hailstones" message is now permanently on hold.
can someone explain this to me; am i understanding this right?.
Absolutely Diogenesister, the two stances look mutually exclusive to me
Beth Sarim, they theoretically could walk it back under new "new light" đ, but I imagine that every time there's new light, they lose some hangers on that have just grown tired of it all. New light that returns to the old hardline position after this "kinder, gentler" change might be too much for a lot of people.
with the change to reporting field service and now allowing people to repent during the gt, presumably up until armageddon, i'm assuming that the "hailstones" message is now permanently on hold.
can someone explain this to me; am i understanding this right?.
Yes, I think that the point is not the legitimacy of their hailstones interpretation, but what they currently believe about it. And within that belief, the recent announcements seem to preclude that "hailstones message" from ever happening. The GB have basically painted themselves into a corner on this one.
now that there is new light on reporting hours in field service, it's raised a few questions for me, who was never in the jws.
did any of you ever have fun with the field service report slips, by finding creative ways of reporting time without raising suspicions in those who oversaw the collection of those slips?.
also, can anyone upload an image of what the slips looked like, or point me to a post that gives uploaded examples of the sort of paperwork that was familiar to jws in good standing?.
Thanks Atlantis. It's a fairly generic form. I was hoping it might lend itself to creative input from the larrikin PIMO types that must have been wishing for ways to make fools of the GB. I can't see much you can do with this in that vein. Did any PIMOs figure out ways to do it?
moley: was that the main way you maintained your sanity?
so everyone knows the âbig newsâ of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.
beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they âshared in any form of the ministry during the monthâ.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke âthrowaway commentâ but after thinking about itâŠ.why not?.
the idea is, what is âany form of the ministryâ?
"This change, and others, would not have got the unanimous vote while Tony Morris had a say."
That's an interesting charge. Was he that much of an old guard hardliner?
so everyone knows the âbig newsâ of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.
beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they âshared in any form of the ministry during the monthâ.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke âthrowaway commentâ but after thinking about itâŠ.why not?.
the idea is, what is âany form of the ministryâ?
"Yes, but saying Hi to a disfellowshipped one would not allow you to tick any boxes."
They just love their two-tiered class systems, don't they? đ
sometimes things don't come across the way the speaker intended.. years ago there was an ad by the whitegoods company fisher and paykel.
they showed them going to great lengths to get customer feedback on what was important to them.
one customer said that she wanted it to be easy to get her appliances serviced when they broke down.
RonW, I sincerely hope that that anecdote is one of those JW urban legends! đ±
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-november-2023/hulda-reached-her-goal/.
what about this watchtower article?
in my jw time i felt not comfortable about this kind of "devine education".. poor sister works above her self to get a device.. jw.org hypocrisy for going full digital.. g..
That's an interesting point. In Rutherford's day, when the whole org was being weaponised into a door to door sales business, all the paperwork would have been literally on paper and would have needed an army of clerks to administer it. Hence the large Bethel presence and the farms to support them.
I imagine there has been resistance to downsizing by the old guard because they would remember the glory days of a huge Bethel workforce which is indeed, as you say, just not warranted these days. They would probably rather be surrounded by a large, bloated group of Yes Men, than a small but efficient one.
Do the farms still exist in any form?
I'd say that your thoughts on the matter are sound. If they thoroughly analysed where they want to be and the manpower requirement for that goal, a much smaller administrative staff would probably suffice. But the GB probably still hankers for the good old days...
i haven't posted on here for years.
i also don't frequent this forum like i used to.. i have posted my story before, like 8 years ago.
i have been a baptized witness for the last 30+ years, but have not attended meetings in the last 15 years.
I did once ask a surgeon about the HLC interfering with patients and he said that he basically doesn't let them get anywhere near his patients.
i haven't posted on here for years.
i also don't frequent this forum like i used to.. i have posted my story before, like 8 years ago.
i have been a baptized witness for the last 30+ years, but have not attended meetings in the last 15 years.
I've never been a JW. I recently had a procedure done where they asked me a couple of times if I was okay with blood should I need it. Of course I said yes. I wanted to sarcastically ask "Do I look like a Jehovah's Witness??" (my beard would've demonstrated otherwise) but I didn't because I was afraid even mentioning the term might confuse the nurse and she might think I was saying the opposite of what I was saying.
this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
"Jeezus, itâs like they want the fakers, faders, and fence-sitters to fuck off."
It would probably be better for all parties if they did. The mental gymnastics of faking, fading and fence-sitting can't be good for mental health.
