Posts by NotFormer

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Has The Interpretation of the Beast Changed?

by NotFormer in

my understanding* is that the un is supposed to be the wild beast of revelation.

the un only came into being after wwii, so what was the beast before the new light came about?

i can't see a speculative organisation like the wt not having an interpretation of the beast before the un came into being.

Has The Interpretation of the Beast Changed?

by NotFormer in

my understanding* is that the un is supposed to be the wild beast of revelation.

the un only came into being after wwii, so what was the beast before the new light came about?

i can't see a speculative organisation like the wt not having an interpretation of the beast before the un came into being.

I was after the tl:dr version, I seriously don't want to read that idiot's rantings. Is he saying the beast is the RC church and the Anglican church or the reformation churches or some sort of ecumenical council? Wouldn't that be the false prophet, the second beast?

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Has The Interpretation of the Beast Changed?

by NotFormer in

my understanding* is that the un is supposed to be the wild beast of revelation.

the un only came into being after wwii, so what was the beast before the new light came about?

i can't see a speculative organisation like the wt not having an interpretation of the beast before the un came into being.

NotFormer

Russell died in 1916, so he wouldn't have had the then non-existent League of Nations in mind. Who or what did he think was the beast? I've been googling it, but most of the answers are about JWs, not bible students before Rutherford.

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CONSPIRACY THEORISTS at your door

by Terry in

isn’t the watchtower society valuable because it gets people talking about important issues in our world?.

hell no!.

this argument presupposes that jehovah’s witnesses are ethically neutral–that if the core doctrine (the truth) is not true, its untruth is harmless, but if (by wild coincidence) the governing body of this organization happen to aim a wayward arrow at some real-world issue that needs addressing, the watchtower is a net positive because it directed, at least, some energy toward addressing essential issues of life.

NotFormer

"On the other hand, a Christian who remains immature can easily be misled by “trickery” and “deceptive schemes” and be taken in by conspiracy theorists and apostates. (Read Ephesians 4:14, 15.) He may be prone to being jealous, creating strife, taking offense, or yielding to temptation.—1 Cor. 3:3".

I think it is the apostates that are really scaring them. By conspiracy theorists, do they mean those who accuse them of colluding with world governments on the vaccine? Or those who are speculating about AM3's removal?

This sort of thing must be starting to bite, because otherwise, why point it out? Are they running scared? What is threatening them and putting the fear of "Jehovah" into them?

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"Other sheep" JW's are NOT witnesses & should NOT be preaching!

by BoogerMan in

only those who think that they'll soooooooon be king/priests, can be called "witnesses" and do preaching work.. w98 2/1 p. 17 par.

16 - in 33 c.e., the israel of god (not r/f jw's!

) replaced fleshly israel and became jehovah’s “servant,” his “witnesses.”.

NotFormer

I don't understand why the R&F even bother. According to the WT, the bible wasn't written for them, only for the 144000. So any attempts by the organisation at admonishing them biblically should fall on deaf ears. "Not my dog; not my fight" should be the R&F's mantra.

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Now the Baptist Church is waking up to the Watchtower's scandals

by raymond frantz in

https://www.jwupdates.com/post/jehovah-s-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked.

the following article appeared on baptist standard's online edition in january 18, 2024. other christian denominations are starting to pay attention to the legal cases against the watchtower and write about it.

like the watchtower did in yester years with catholic csa cases.. oslo district court in norway is home to an ongoing trial after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year.

NotFormer

Not a lot of detail about what the SBC is being accused of. The Independent Fundamentalist Baptist movement can be a breeding ground for CSA and other types of abuse. The pastor's word is law, and he can impose his will on anyone and suppress any attempts at getting justice through the legal system (sound familiar?)

The case of Jack Hyles and his successor Jack Schaap is a great example. Jack Schaap recently got released from prison. It'll be interesting to see if anyone will be gullible enough to let him pastor another church.

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Now the Baptist Church is waking up to the Watchtower's scandals

by raymond frantz in

https://www.jwupdates.com/post/jehovah-s-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked.

the following article appeared on baptist standard's online edition in january 18, 2024. other christian denominations are starting to pay attention to the legal cases against the watchtower and write about it.

like the watchtower did in yester years with catholic csa cases.. oslo district court in norway is home to an ongoing trial after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year.

NotFormer

Ah, yes, hide the truth behind a catch cry like "theocratic warfare". 🙄

The Watchtower does a lot of Orwellian doublespeak, doesn't it? "Cruelty is kindness", for their disfellowshipping policy. "Lying for The Truth", and so on.

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Now the Baptist Church is waking up to the Watchtower's scandals

by raymond frantz in

https://www.jwupdates.com/post/jehovah-s-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked.

the following article appeared on baptist standard's online edition in january 18, 2024. other christian denominations are starting to pay attention to the legal cases against the watchtower and write about it.

like the watchtower did in yester years with catholic csa cases.. oslo district court in norway is home to an ongoing trial after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year.

NotFormer

"Even then, Lopes added, Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t force members to limit or cease association with former congregants, whether they’ve been disfellowshipped or withdrawn voluntarily—that’s up to individuals.

“Congregation elders do not police the personal lives of congregants, nor do they exercise control over the faith of individual Jehovah’s Witnesses,”

The level of dishonesty here is breathtaking. Remind me again Mr. Lopes: who is the Father of Lies?

"In an email to RNS, Jehovah’s Witnesses spokesperson Jarrod Lopes said Witnesses only disfellowship an unrepentant member who “makes a practice” of serious violations of “the Bible’s moral code."

We're talking about children, not unrepentant monsters!

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Has The Interpretation of the Beast Changed?

by NotFormer in

my understanding* is that the un is supposed to be the wild beast of revelation.

the un only came into being after wwii, so what was the beast before the new light came about?

i can't see a speculative organisation like the wt not having an interpretation of the beast before the un came into being.

NotFormer

I actually wrote WWI for the league of nations, but it seems my idiot tablet autocorrected it! 😠

ExBethelitenowPIMA, if the league of nations was formed in 1919, then that would be an interesting counterpoint to their love of that date. But I just looked it up, League of Nations was formed in 1920, presumably after Satan knew his time was short with the appointment of the FDS! 🙄🤮

Man, the ego on Rutherford!

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Has The Interpretation of the Beast Changed?

by NotFormer in

my understanding* is that the un is supposed to be the wild beast of revelation.

the un only came into being after wwii, so what was the beast before the new light came about?

i can't see a speculative organisation like the wt not having an interpretation of the beast before the un came into being.

NotFormer

My understanding* is that the UN is supposed to be the wild beast of Revelation. The UN only came into being after WWII, so what was the beast before the new light came about? I can't see a speculative organisation like the WT not having an interpretation of the beast before the UN came into being. Even if it was the League of Nations, that came into being after WWII. What was Russell's take on the beast?

*Subject to loving correction, of course! 😸