Posts by NotFormer

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Murder JW Style (True Crime)

by Tahoe in

a home remodeling job in england that went wildly wrong:.

a builder who bludgeoned his client to death with a hammer in a row over her new extension has been jailed for at least 15 years for murder.. peter norgrove killed sharon gordon at her home on 20 july last year.. her daughter rhian brown said norgrove acted like a "wolf in sheep's clothing" after earning her trust at the church they attended in dudley.. wolverhampton crown court heard he led the jehovah's witness service the same night he killed mrs gordon.. he repeatedly lied to her about the work he was doing, which took 15 months instead of six weeks.. .

"he didn't have the experience to be doing the work he was doing," miss brown said.. "he took full payment for the extension in advance, which we believe to be more than £30,000.".

NotFormer

I imagine contracting with an elder, especially if you are a lowly congregant, is fraught with peril. The unwritten, unspoken rule that you don't actually have any legal recourse if things go pear-shaped must be always be at the back of one's mind in those situations.

As to the murder, let's not get distracted by the JW aspect of it. These cases happen from time to time but prove nothing except anecdotally. Such things can happen in any situation involving an unequal power dynamic.

It's upsetting to see anyone murdered (or otherwise abused) by someone they thought they could trust.

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When The 'Tower Is Mentioned In A Will

by NotFormer in

i assume someone from wt attends the reading of the will.

an elder, a co, some especially selected person from the branch under whose purview this sort of thing is maintained?.

what is the procedure?.

NotFormer

Balaamsass2, weren't you accused of being that elder in the "outing" thread? 😸😹

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

NotFormer

Does anyone think that they may ever change/retire the 1919 date? If 1914 is negotiable, then 1919, which is arguably attached to 1914, is also theoretically in play.

The trouble with 1919 is that it is fairly foundational; without it, they can't claim to be special.

But, if not in so many words, they're already saying that they're not special ("flawed human beings", "mistakes have been made"). But they still want the R&F to treat them as God's earthly channel, while they want governments to believe that they have no influence over JWs.

They've painted themselves into a bit of a corner.

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

NotFormer

"Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia", and "the WT never said anything about 607", will be the new refrain when it changes.

O'Brien, please do write down your anecdotes and share them with us! 🙏

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The Reason Behind Recent Watchtower Changes

by Vanderhoven7 in

eric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.

NotFormer

It certainly gives the lie to the idea that they are easing up on the slaves and becoming kinder and gentler. We thought, for just a moment, that they may be lightening up, if only a little.

When apparently it was really a lawyer's game of 4d chess going on, further weakening the ability of publishers to claim that they were just following orders and that the WT told them what to do.

We were under the impression that the non-reporting of publishers hours was some sort of side issue, but in reality, it may have been the most important move, in the long game, announced last year.

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

NotFormer

Obrien, I started a thread like that a few months ago. As someone who was never in and always had a sense of humour and scepticism informed by the likes of Monty Python and Spike Milligan, I imagined that there were witnesses who might bend the rules as far as possible without actually snapping them in half.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6212579974709248/did-anyone-have-fun-their-field-service-reports

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Have I Drifted Too Far?

by sinboi in

i was shocked, really shocked.

what i am doing now is so acceptable to the friends around me.. my friends are all doing it.

it is so normal in the society,.

NotFormer

Idiot troll.

Motive? Arguably to try and make exes look bad?

Now, every post is simply upping the ante, seeing how much crap he can make up before getting banned.

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

NotFormer

"I still say Scholar is trolling us"

The bluster is cute. 🙄

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The Reasoning Book

by Magnum in

the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

NotFormer

I remember that. You knew that the Dub at the door was serious when they pulled out "The Book"! Accompanied by the first few bars of Toccata and Fugue in DMinor, of course!

You were always in for a robust game of "Bible back-and-forth" once that came out. The Dubs back then knew the scriptural references that they used to back up their assertions (never mind that it was usually devoid of context, but they knew their supposed scriptural source).

Now they run like the clappers!

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The Reason Behind Recent Watchtower Changes

by Vanderhoven7 in

eric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.

NotFormer

Can someone explain the difference between "volunteers" and "volunteer workers" for a charity? Supposedly the difference between the two explains why publishers aren't required to record hours anymore and pioneers, elders, COs, etc. are.

It also seems to come back down to the "level of control" thing. WT theoretically can't be held responsible for the action of "volunteers", is what they're arguing for? Is that right?