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  Article: Pa. courts weigh whether Jehovah's Witnesses elders must report confessed child abuse

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://pennrecord.com/stories/654791353-pa-courts-weigh-whether-jehovah-s-witnesses-elders-must-report-confessed-child-abuse.

  harrisburg – after the commonwealth court of pennsylvania dismissed a petition from a group of jehovah’s witnesses nearly two years ago, which argued the confidentiality of their confessions shielded them from being mandatory reporters of child abuse, the supreme court of pennsylvania overruled their colleagues and decided the commonwealth court must re-examine the action.. in a 24-page memorandum opinion authored by state supreme court chief justice debra todd and handed down feb. 13, the court found that their commonwealth court contemporaries violated the coordinate jurisdiction rule – which states “judges of coordinate jurisdiction sitting in the same case should not overrule each other’s decisions” – by its initial pair of separate findings that ivy hill congregation of jehovah’s witnesses did not have proper standing against the commonwealth’s department of human services, and that a grant of declaratory relief would not terminate the legal controversy.. todd was joined in the opinion by supreme court of pennsylvania justices christine donohue, kevin m. dougherty, david n. wecht and sallie updyke mundy.

  justices p. kevin brobson and daniel mccaffery did not participate in the consideration or decision of this matter.. “appellant is a congregation of approximately 140 individuals in philadelphia, pennsylvania, who follow the tenets of the jehovah’s witnesses religion.

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  NotFormer

  In corporate law there is the concept of lifting or piercing the corporate veil, where a court will decide that the company structure is being used to escape the consequences of a contract or other agreement.

  It's a pity that there's no equivalent in criminal law of lifting the religious veil, where the courts can rule that an entity is pretending to be a religion to cover up criminal activity. And IMO, giving cover to paedophiles under the two witnesses rule is criminal activity. Aiding and abetting, accessories after the fact, call it what you will.
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  Governing Body Culpability

  by NotFormer in

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  2. scandals

  i've seen people say something along the lines that the authorities would like to/have been trying to subpoena (members of) the gb (in csa cases).

  my question is: why don't they?

  if the gb are issuing orders to cover up evidence in csa cases, and otherwise interfere in justice being served in those cases, then they are accessories before (and after) the fact, and theoretically can be arrested and charged as such.

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  I've seen people say something along the lines that the authorities would like to/have been trying to subpoena (members of) the GB (in CSA cases). My question is: why don't they? If the GB are issuing orders to cover up evidence in CSA cases, and otherwise interfere in justice being served in those cases, then they are accessories before (and after) the fact, and theoretically can be arrested and charged as such. The WT bunker can't keep out police with proper arrest warrants.
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  Door to Door

  by pontoon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just wondering if the witnesses still go door to door.

  once in a while i see them doing their cart work and my still in relatives talk about going out in cart work, never mention door to door.

  i haven't had a knock on my door since probably 2 years before covid.

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  I would like to qualify that I was never rude or nasty (unless that's how they chose to interact first). I would say that my approach can be a little "intense" at times. 😇🤥😵

  And I always make it about the GB, not them personally. Hence "your cowardly Governing Body".
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  The Vaccine mandate has been lifted, with no explanation or apologies

  by redsetter2 in

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  2. scandals

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  NotFormer

  LV101: "Why they'd need to worry about losing any tax exemptions is slim -- they jump to authoritative demand"

  They used to be recklessly fearless. Rutherford went to jail for his agitation. Knorr happily sent young men like Terry to jail rather than allow a civilian work in lieu compromise over the draft.

  Now, the slightest whiff of government resistance and they fold like a seven high poker hand. 🙄
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  "maybe Tony is sleeping with the fishes."

  Not impossible. Given that he's disappeared without a trace. Would the GB be that ruthless? Possibly. Would they have the balls? Probably not. No, there's been a great coverup involving lots of NDAs and other legal undertakings. Their ability to keep a lid on this when so much else leaks like a sieve is impressive.
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  Are GB subject to the meeting requirements? He may have special dispensation due to the circumstances.
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  NotFormer

  The intrigue is palpable!

  If you ever cross paths remember to use the correct sign and countersign:

  You: The moulting dove sings a mournful song

  AM3: I like my butterfish with extra butter
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  Door to Door

  by pontoon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just wondering if the witnesses still go door to door.

  once in a while i see them doing their cart work and my still in relatives talk about going out in cart work, never mention door to door.

  i haven't had a knock on my door since probably 2 years before covid.

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  TxNVSue2023: "Not former the emphases has always been on the preaching work, not necessarily just the door to door method. The d2d is the most popular method, yes but it's never been the only method. During Covid witnesses still preached - it just went to letter writing."

  I've had JWs bully me over the fact that going door to door is the living proof that they are Jehovah's chosen religion; the main distinctive, the life saving work. Isn't there even a Kingdom song that goes something like "House to house and door to door"? At least there is one decontextualised) verse that mentions Paul going house to house. There's no scriptural basis for a letter writing campaign.

  IMO, stopping the door to door work was the day the GB collectively lost their trousers. Having dropped a doctrine that they leaned on so heavily, so easily, they might as well light up a smoke and call it a day!
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  Just had a thought…

  by Vidiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

  …dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

  …i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

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  "...maybe someone ought to remind the GB that going around jabbing folks with a stick until one of ‘em finally gives you a black eye doesn’t make you “persecuted”.

  It just makes you an asshole."

  You've said that before; a great observation! 💯 I hope I can remember it verbatim, should the local JWs ever venture back to my door...

  I'll try to be kinder this time, I promise! 🤞
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  The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

  so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

  i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

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  NotFormer

  It's one of those straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel things. They place great store in getting the right date, for an event in which no-one participates. It's like turning up to a football match; the referee puts the ball on the field, and no players turn up. 90 minutes later, everyone goes home.

  They could always go with: the Jews are no longer Jehovah's representatives on Earth; why would they be more correct than his true channel?