we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.
it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.
the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.
Some do, some have turned their backs on religion altogether, some (like me) were never in and are here to understand those door-knocking people a bit better. You'll find that this is a "broad church"😉
Some are still "physically in, mentally out" (PIMO). They can't leave because of the whole disfellowshipping and shunning mess.
i won't go through the whole account of galileo; he believed what his eyes told him, not the church, and died under house arrest.. .
the wts has these comments:.
because galileo rejected an interpretation of scripture based on greek philosophy, he stood condemned!
That's all very interesting and all, but why resurrect this thread, instead of starting a new one and linking to and quoting this one?*
* I may have been guilty of the same thing; when you do a search, you don't always realise how old a thread is. I'm trying to mend my ways.
going door to door with their "memorial" invitation.
"so you can pass the emblems but nobody partakes?
them: "we can explain who is to partake".. me: "all jesus' followers".
a watcher: "2023 Memorial Partakers Worldwide: 22,312"
It was around 10,000 two decades ago. Anyone baptised before 1935* would probably be more than a hundred years old. There can't be 22,000 of 'em still alive. What's the criteria these days?
*I think. I know it's 1930 something...
hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
Ah, I didn't realise that she had some connection with Egypt. It makes more sense like that. Although slimboyfat's gender swapping observation is still there.
going door to door with their "memorial" invitation.
"so you can pass the emblems but nobody partakes?
them: "we can explain who is to partake".. me: "all jesus' followers".
Okay, thanks for clearing that up, everybody!
What is the figure now for partakers? I'm guessing that very few of them were alive and baptised before 1935 (is that the cut off year?) Is there now some special dispensation or new understanding about who can partake. I seem to remember something about those who are convinced that they are part of the 144,000 being allowed to partake. How does that work?
https://peticaopublica.com.br/pview.aspx?pi=br137007.
petition against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.
public petition: against ostracism practiced by jehovah's witnesses.
"... if any man that is called a brother..."
This is talking about adult men, not minor children who have been pressured into baptism.
one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.
he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .
what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.
We're talking about minor children, for the most part. As some have pointed out, Jesus was baptised when he was 30, yet minor children are pressured into entering a contract with the WBTS, CCJWs, whatever, which if they are arbitrarily determined to have breached in any way, they are shunned. Until recently, even by immediate family. That's child abuse.
hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
slimboyfat, ah, thanks for clearing that up. To be honest, I would have been surprised if my original version of it had been correct. It allows too much wiggle room against them. Particularly in the "which was God's earthly organisation before Russell formed the WBTS?" question.
hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
slimboyfat, when I first read your reference to Zenobia I was totally confused. I get that the main irony is the gender bending. I'd never heard of her or that she was even seriously held to have been a candidate for King of the South. Even that is confused: Syria is north of Israel/Judah/Judea.
hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
Earnest, isn't there a platitude along the lines of "Jehovah has always had an organisation"? Doesn't that fly in the face of their reason for dropping Zenobia and others from prophetic consideration? Or does that underlying reason basically negate that platitude (using that term for want of a better one)?
Does the phrase exist in the official literature in some form?
