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  What are you wearing for the special talk

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
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  many are talking on whatsapp about what to wear.

  sisters wearing slacks and brothers wearing all sorts of different tops.

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  NotFormer

  Ron.W., are catsuits legal now?*

  *My tablet is operating under the old light: it was too prudish to autocomplete "catsuit".
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  Problem...

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if i was an active jw, i would like to greet df jw's.. how do i know that they are not apostates or continue wrong lifestyle promotors?.

  i would need this information, so were to get?

  the grapevine?

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  NotFormer

  "The message from the GB is clear: sleep around, steal, smoke, take drugs, be a total prick of a human being - thats fine, you could be re-instated in 90 days.

  But criticise the GB about anything......."

  I've never been convinced that the WT ever had any clear idea of what constituted sin. The only sin that ever mattered to them was questioning them.
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  What can be worn at meeting and ministry now?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
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  so what is appropriate now we don’t have to wear a suit and tie?.

  i imagine just a smart shirt and smart casual trousers.

  what about shoes?

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  NotFormer

  Somewhere, a manufacturer of cheap polyester suits is shedding a tear...
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  s-395 Adjustments-to-handling-serious-wrongdoing-in-the-congregation

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this was posted on jw leaks.. my truth's | dad seeking truth.

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  NotFormer

  "The impression the new instructions creates is that if someone says they’re sorry then the elders should take them at their word. It is only an impression and they haven’t spelled this out in so many words, but otherwise it’s hard to understand what the fuss is about. If this is what they mean then they need to state it more clearly, because there will still be hardline elders who stick to the old procedures of not believing the person in the judicial committee, unless they are explicitly told otherwise."

  I think that that is the point. I said elsewhere that you can still be an arsehole, just try to look less like an arsehole (particularly when the world's governments are looking). It's ambiguous. It's something that they can point governments and courts to, but it hasn't materially affected much.
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  Just a thought

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  is the change in jw dress policy a way to make the changes in df policy easier to accept?.

  a way to devide?.

  g..

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  NotFormer

  hoser, I agree: the "changes" haven't actually changed very much.
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  Punkofnice

  by jhine in

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  2. friends

  does anyone know how punky is ?

  he hasn't posted in a while ?

  jan from tam .

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  NotFormer

  He last seemed to be active in this thread:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6295794831851520/goodbye-mother

  He's probably taking a deliberate break from some of the nonsense that can break out here (case in point: he was treated rather shabbily by one particular post in that thread).
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  2024-March-Announcements-Slacks-Ties-Jackets-Serious-Wrongdoing!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  slacks.

  ties.

  jackets.

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  NotFormer

  "And a very slight relaxation on shunning, and more care on dealing with "wrongdoing" by the under 18's. None of this goes far enough IMHO to make them acceptable as to adhering to Human Rights, but I guess they think they will now be able to persuade a Court that this , just a fraction milder, set of Policies, do not mean they should, as an org. lose $$$. They will argue these are decisions made by individual Congregations in each case, and not mandated by the Org. "We only offer guidance in these matters"

  It's interesting how their"Bible trained conscience" only compels them to do the absolute minimum to avoid being kicked, rather than going the extra mile.

  They could change it all in a heartbeat and become squeaky clean and above reproach (more like a "Christian" organisation) but they seem to love the control too much for that. 😿
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  NotFormer

  TheScientist, I'm not sure that the changes are particularly huge. At best, they're designed to make the WT look a little less nasty to outside observers, i.e. governments.
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  NotFormer

  Another concern the wording raises is where they say that Christian parents and guardians can attend the meetings of the elders with the elders of the "offending" child. This is more code, strictly meaning JW parents, but designed to make government investigators think that it is broader than that. The hope is that the Norwegian (and other) government(s) will think that the word "Christian" will mean more than the WT's narrow definition.

  A problem I can see: while unlikely, there may be a minor who has become a JW from outside the organisation (he wasn't born in and his family are not JWs) and got baptised*. If he is called before the elders, they won't let him be accompanied by his parents.

  So, nothing has changed, they'll still be arseholes and stick the knife in when they can get away with it.

  *This is an unlikely scenario, but not entirely impossible.
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  NotFormer

  Vidiot: "This isn’t about retaining membership.

  It’s about keeping their charity status to stave off insolvency"

  Absolutely. All these steps towards a "kinder gentler " organisation seem to be illusions designed to look like a loosening of the reins. It's a smokescreen designed to look like the GB doesn't actually tell the R&F what to do and how to act.

  A big clue is in how they are telling JWs that they can use their "Bible trained conscience". That's code for: we still want you to be arseholes to the disfellowshipped, but if you are a bit less of an arsehole to them, we can present ourselves to "the World's governments" as lightening up on the disfellowshipping and shunning.