Posts by mP

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Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

mP

Bomh;

How come you have so far on this thread not done ANY research on your own, but just ask for data and when the data is given to you, you just ask for more?

mP:

I have. Look at your own charts its not quite as clear cut as what you claim. The bottom graph shows 2010 returning towards the average, which doesnt sound quite as sensationalist as the doom and gloom otehrs are proclaiming. It was really that terrible the graph should not contain any or very few less than avg values in the later or second half.

Secondly none of your charts prove that the pollution caused by humans is affecting the temp. If this was true, and im sure we can agree that pollution has been increasing at a steady rate the temp graph should also match this, but rather we have the absurd situation where 2010 avg is almost the same as years 100 years before.

How exactly is this explained ? Reason with me ?

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Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

mP

Bohm:
its also interesting that the graphs from one source of temps dont exactly match those of another. Different places have are different. For some its above avg in one year and yet hte othergraph shows the opposite.

The Aus temp of 1940 is above avg while the American recording is below. The graphs are there for all too see.

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Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

mP

BOHM

* since we dont have any data from before 1880, the curve could really be FALLING

mP:

No, the honest thing to do is not make any comment at all either way, and not put words into any link or quote that are not there.

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Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

mP

bohm:

It is such a travesty the supposed "experts" and "scientists" are all Joe Nobodys who just sit behind their screen, eyeball a graph and ask any odd question that pop into their mind without doing any research, and unless these questions are answered to their satisfaction (and unfortunately all these supposed "scientists" are entirely unaware of statistics and are basically morons who are to lazy to look anything up for themselves) they just keep to their pre-consieved notion the climate is getting hotter.

mP:

So we are now arguing from authority. Asking for a lousy graph or two because i can read is a crime is it ? I should just lap up whatever my betters say just like the bible. I have an education just like you, im sure we can appreciate a few numbers on a graph.

BOHM:

I do hope you find the time to put some of your carefully researched observations into print. I mean, I bet nobody ever thought about how (for instance) the average in the graph you found was computed, and surely nobody bothered to write that down. We all know those are things no scientist would ever think about.

mP:
Do you honestly think that asking afor a simple graph showing averages for each year that goes back say 50 or 100 years is too much ?

It really should be made open to the public. I just wish the media would show things like this instead of speaking to us like idiots that are uncapable of seeing increasing numbers on a graph.

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THE DIVORCE OF THE CENTURY!

by JW GoneBad in

so there is a rumor going around about 1914 and its possible demise!.

i cant help but think of the many and i say many divorces (not to make light of the matter) that jw families have had to deal with among their ranks over the years.. however, knowing how long the wtbts and 1914 have been together and the thought of mother (wtbts) doing away with her man (1914) after nearly 100 years of marriage is truly heart breaking for some.

many old-timers probably still think of the old days when they were like any other happy couple; inseparable, always holding hands, romantic and the like.

mP

Why stop at one generation, when two or a dozen will do ?

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Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

mP

MP:

So how exactly can one make a statement about ONE la Nina being significant proof of a change or trend ?

Brin:

While it felt cooler..

mp:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/history/ln-2010-12/SST-records.shtml

Cool down under, warm globally
2011 was Australia's coolest year in a decade (2001–2011). Eight of the last nine years with sustained La Niña conditions recorded a cooler than normal Australian average temperature, except 2008, which was Australia's warmest year on record commencing with a La Niña.

I guess i was right after all. Even the BOM agrees with me. All im saying is dont get swept by the media and their story telling, they tell lots of porkies and love to use big words when the truth is not quite as alarming.

Brinjen:

ocean temperatures were up.

mP:

Actually the article does not say that at all. The line

Sea surface temperatures around the northern coasts of Australia were also above average during the 2011–2012 La Niña event, particularly between December 2011 and February 2012, though were not at the record-breaking levels seen in 2010. This would suggest a weaker influence on Australian rainfall.

does not in anyway say what it is comparing against. It was hotter sure, but hotter than what ? It doesnt mention average in anyway.

I would v much like to know how they compute this average, because iw ould imagine it would be hard to know averages of the ocean in the middle of no where far from land. Are old samples from the 50s just a single or few isolated samples or are they daily measurements like i would imagine they can do now ?

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Are Baptism numbers going down?

by Julia Orwell in

jw
friends

mP

@julia

I guess bad associations do ruin a person. Its sad the WT has many attributes including being a pedo paradise and school.

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THE DIVORCE OF THE CENTURY!

by JW GoneBad in

so there is a rumor going around about 1914 and its possible demise!.

i cant help but think of the many and i say many divorces (not to make light of the matter) that jw families have had to deal with among their ranks over the years.. however, knowing how long the wtbts and 1914 have been together and the thought of mother (wtbts) doing away with her man (1914) after nearly 100 years of marriage is truly heart breaking for some.

many old-timers probably still think of the old days when they were like any other happy couple; inseparable, always holding hands, romantic and the like.

mP

Predictions about 1914 never happened. Youve been misled by Satan, Shhhatan.

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

mP

Latin:

Yet, even despite all of that he still gave Noah, a wicked man, another chance. The God of the Torah is a hero.

mP:
How can the god of the Torah be a hero, if he lets pagans like Rome, Egypt, Greece and Babylon win ?

How do you know Noah was wicket or god ? THeres barely a sentence about his non boat building life ? Arent you just making this up ?

Then after He flooded the Planet, he apparently regretted killing everything, since God created a rainbow as a sign of his covenant, a promise never to do it again!

Latin:

God made a promise to mankind that, despite their mistakes, he would make sure they were redeemed. He vows to set all matters straight.

MP:
Does this promise hold the same staying power like his unconditional promise to David that his house would rule forever, and then we have xians insert a clause that does not appear in the BIble.

Latin:

Yes, so he knew that Pharoah would inflict upon himself the greatest of punishments and his people would suffer for it. That's a far cry from your explanation of God framing and executing an innocent king and his civilization.

mP:

It cant have been that bad, because nobody outside the bible has heard of it. Not even the enemies of egypt attacked when Egypt should have been at its weakest.

Careful: the NT (eg 1st Tim 4) warns of those "false teachers" who'd twist scriptures for their own ego-driven purposes. Sounds like someone we know here?

Latin:
That scripture would apply to you as you're the one who is propagating false ideas about the Torah based on flawed understanding.

mP:

Why cant God write in an unambiguous way that is 100% clear ? Perhaps it simplest to accept people are lying just like you and inventing meaning thats not int he bible.

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Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/global-cooling-arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html.

climate change is a legitimate concern - especially as it affects poor nations.

however, the subject has been twisted by greedy global elites resulting in disappointments (if you wish to call them that!

mP

Well like i said the 70s were a time when the world was in a mini cool so its not really an exactly comparison. Since La Nins dont happen every where just looking at the 50s and 70s gives very few samples.

The temp graph on that page shows the last few years the temp went down. Not by much but those years were not the hotest, which is exactly what i said. if we look at the graph we can see the avg tmp of about 2010 is less than that of the mid 1910s and late 1930s. What does that mean, not much. Then again what exactly does a 0.2 C increase mean ? What about 1800s etc ?

Given the chart jumps below and above the average does that make sense ? How can the industrial age of the 1900s have so many years and decades below the average. How exactly is the average calculated ? I think the graph raises lots of interesting q more than it answers them. Its only a start.