I agree with you, it is not anyone's business, but yours. If they have a problem with it they can shove it. I have been in several situations where elders have come to my house and I completely throw them off with my lack of bowing down to them. That being said Rubadub has a point, how much are you willing to lose? In my case I have decided that my personal freedom is worth the tremendous sacrifices I will have to make so I am just buying my time before writing my DA letter. If you are sure of the choices you will be making in the future, then more power to you carry on with your verbal jousting with the elders, but if not just tread carefully until you are fully comitted to leaving the religion.
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Talked to 2 Elders Today
by 2tone ini had a conversation on the phone today with two different elders today.
i dont want to post the topic that we discussed on here at this time.
they had a problem with something going on in my life and i said where is it written that this is a problem.
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C.O. Is coming this week
by Freeof1914 inso i had the elders come to my house about two months at the time i told my wife and family that i was having doubts.
they came by i explained my position and they basically told me i needed to be more humble and just tow the line like many others have before me.
well i have not gone preaching or to any meeting for two months after that and did not recieve any phone call from the elders, which was fine by me .
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Well the visit came and went folks! It was actually pretty comica, they walked in as if they were walking into a morgue very solemn looking. I on the other hand greetedmthem with a huge hug and a smile, this immediately threw them off. They asked how are you, i said GREAT! Theyloked absolutely thrown back as if they did not know how to respond. They read a few scriptures to me I said, " thank you, I always respect and appreciate God's word." then they proceeded to ask how my relationship with Jehovah was since I had not been attending the meetings? I said, " better than ever, I am praying to him all the time." Another perplexed look. They then asked me how did I feel the direction of my life has been since I have strayed from the congregation? I responded and said , " Can I speak frankly?" Then I said, " I feel better than whatI have felt in a long time, I am happy." This was pretty much the end of the visit. The C.O. Said to me I remember hearing one of your public talks and it was amazing, we miss you and love you and whenever you are ready we are here and I said my door is always open to all if you, but for the foreseeable future I will not be in themeetings. I thought they had more ammo, but did not. Apparently did not want to talk doctrine with me, and were completely thrown off by joy, come to think of it I displayed more fruitage ofnthe holy spirit than these supposed spirit appointed men.
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C.O. Is coming this week
by Freeof1914 inso i had the elders come to my house about two months at the time i told my wife and family that i was having doubts.
they came by i explained my position and they basically told me i needed to be more humble and just tow the line like many others have before me.
well i have not gone preaching or to any meeting for two months after that and did not recieve any phone call from the elders, which was fine by me .
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Greta suggestions the only problem is my wife is still a hardcore witness so she pleaded with me to allow them to come. I agreed so I am almost forseeing a comitee taking place after this meeting. Altough my trump card is that I have not shared my thoughts with anyone including my wife, and my father who has been an elder for many years says a comittee can only be formed if i begin spreading my ideas. So I guess we shall see howit plays out. Thanks for all the suggestions. Truth be told there is no way I am going to kow tow to an elder and co, I have no respect as far as having any authority over my life, I am expecting an awkward tense meeting with no resolution.
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C.O. Is coming this week
by Freeof1914 inso i had the elders come to my house about two months at the time i told my wife and family that i was having doubts.
they came by i explained my position and they basically told me i needed to be more humble and just tow the line like many others have before me.
well i have not gone preaching or to any meeting for two months after that and did not recieve any phone call from the elders, which was fine by me .
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So I had the elders come to my house about two months at the time I told my wife and family that I was having doubts. They came by I explained my position and they basically told me I needed to be more humble and just tow the line like many others have before me. Well I have not gone preaching or to any meeting for two months after that and did not recieve any phone call from the elders, which was fine by me . Suddenly the other one of the elders calls me, but I do not answer and he eventually sends me a text message that they will like to visit me with the C.O. just wondering if any of you have had these visits and how did you handle it? How would you prepare?
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REAL life of a JW!
by Silent_Scream inborn into jw family.
5 years old - you are told celebrations and gifts on those days are from satan.
therefore, in school, your an weird outcast.
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One of the best posts I have read here, excellent.I am 30 yrs old and was also born and raised in the org. My wife and I are in the same situation you mentioned, the elders continue to ask her if I have tried to persuade her with my views. I have not preached or been to a meeting in two months. Although it hurts to be treated the way you said, I can honesty say that in this short time I have found better friends outside than what I ever had in the org. It was only a matter of me opening up myself to talk to people and tell them a little about myself. I hope everything works out.
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Who Knows The Exact Current Interpretation of "Generation" Please!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwould someone please explain the current interpretation of the generation.
this topic is one that is causing alot of confussion and turmoil.
jwn, you.
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On another note Djegnog why would someone with such a CLEAR understnding of watchtower doctrine, not biblical, be on an apostate website. An action that is clearly condemned by the watchtower? Just curious as to why you are completely disobeying the watchtower? Apparently your understanding is not complete because thet society has clearly stated it is a reprehensible action what you have done?
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Who Knows The Exact Current Interpretation of "Generation" Please!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwould someone please explain the current interpretation of the generation.
this topic is one that is causing alot of confussion and turmoil.
jwn, you.
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DJeggnog you have way too much time on your hands please go back to employing your time to convince people who do not know better that the watchtower is the truth, or go back to the writing department where you perhaps work. It seems like you fit right in with that arrogant bunch that have their heads stuck up their asses. Furthermore please do not write posts that are even longer than sunday study article, especially when it serves no purpose but bring to light all of the fallacies in the watchtower.
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Who Knows The Exact Current Interpretation of "Generation" Please!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inwould someone please explain the current interpretation of the generation.
this topic is one that is causing alot of confussion and turmoil.
jwn, you.
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In bethel Splayne from the governing body explained it this way, "without question Fred Franz was of the first generation because he was alive when the sogn of Jesus presence began in 1914. Now an annointed that was born later on, but was alive while Franz was alive, in other words a contemporary of his would belong to the OVERLAPPING generation." Does it sound complicated enough? How anyone can believe Jesus meant this I don't know but it sounds like a complete fabrication, it has to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have heard! Like I said in a prior post Splayne was literally drawing diagrams because no one could make sense of it.
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Just wondering
by Freeof1914 ini am sure that some of you know my story, but in case you don't, i come fromma family of extremely zealous witnesses.
my immediate family as well as much of my extended family.
my father and brother are all elders that are used on the circuit and district level.
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Freeof1914
Thank you all for your supportive comments. Sometimes you need to hear from people who have followed through on their decision to leave. I find that I am already getting much better and it has only been one month. It's amazing to see how all of the relationships are solely based on the watchtower. Even with my parents there seems that isn't anything else in their brain, but watchtower propaganda. It's pretty scary to see how their lives are completely dominated by the watchtower.
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Just wondering
by Freeof1914 ini am sure that some of you know my story, but in case you don't, i come fromma family of extremely zealous witnesses.
my immediate family as well as much of my extended family.
my father and brother are all elders that are used on the circuit and district level.
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I am sure that some of you know my story, but in case you don't, I come fromma family of extremely zealous witnesses. My immediate family as well as much of my extended family. My father and brother are all elders that are used on the circuit and district level. I have a cousin in the service dept and friends who are missionaries etc etc. Anyhow about a month ago I told my entire family including my wife that I no longer wanted to be a witness, obviously they were distraught and pressured me to rethink my decision. I told them that it was well thought out and that I could never see myself doing sometging I did not believe in. I have not returned to the meetings or gone preaching since then. Last night I went out to have dinner with my wife, she and I have decided that in anfew months we will be seperated and divorced, she is a very very zealous pioneer and does feel happy under the circumstances. I am ok with that because I want to cut ties with ANYTHING related to witnesses. What hit a nerve with me last night was in our conversation she says to me," I feel bad for you, scared because you have this dark look in your eyes. You look like a person who has no direction no clear path." Obviously this kind of freaked me out because I don' t want to ever feel or project that in my life, but a part of me is kind of wondering if she is right. Has anyone ever been through the same thing or had a loved one say that to them?