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  New blood cards came to our hall today

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  at the end of the meeting an elder, by way of announcements said there is a new blood document that he said would be passed out to every baptized member of the congregation by way of their service group overseer.

  i knew this day was coming, just had no idea of when.

  he said it was a simplified version and sure to make you sign up for suicide.

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  I like the UK's approach to the blood card. When I was in, it was an annual thing for everyone to be given their new cards and fill them out that night in full view of everyone. If you didn't, you'd have dozens of eyes watching and dozens of people asking why you didn't fill your card out. Definitely a coercive situation. I wonder how many people in similar circumstances signed when they really didn't want to.
  
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  The Blood Workbook - HLC handbook

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this appears to be the latest hlc handbook (pdf download).

  workbook to assist with conscience matters involving .

  .. *image of body with heart and blood.... reference material for making informed decisions on matters of conscience.

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  Is it REEEAALLLY a conscience matter when the GB goes to such lengths to tell the sheepies exactly how their consciences should decide?
  
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  I think we are being shunned

  by Tallon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not read all the discussions about the recent regional convention where the org is now ramping up the diabolical act of shunning.

  i am not sure as to which ‘category’ of persons it now applies.. my wife and i have faded over the past couple of years.

  our book-study conductor used to drop by to give us the magazines.

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  It really depends on how fanatical the individual JWs are. Some will take the "shun inactive ones who are seriously sinning" to mean ALL inactives. Others will just ignore the whole "amp up your shunning" message completely.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses post 'anti-gay' 'Harness Your Habits' leaflet in North Devon

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses post 'anti-gay' 'harness your habits' leaflet in north devon.

  devon and cornwall police have said a leaflet posted through doors in north devon isn't a crime – despite it advising gay people to "control their urges".the leaflet, entitled "how to harness your habits", was distributed in north devon by jehovah's witnesses and contains an article asking "what does the bible say about homosexuality?

  "in it, the religious group states that "rejecting homosexuality" is completely different to "rejecting people of a different skin colour" and says their views are the same as people who "view smoking as harmful and even repugnant".it also compares gay people to animals, but says "unlike animals, they can choose not to act on their impulses".the journal was contacted by a reader, who wishes to remain anonymous, who felt "belittled" by the leaflet.

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  Maybe it isn't criminal in the police sense, but this stunt WAS criminally stupid. Usually JWs dance around their hatred of gays by saying something misleading like "It's not for us to judge". Which is a crock that they spew just so they don't look like complete ***holes to potential new recruits.

  I totally agree with Under the Radar that if we apostates blanketed an area with anti-JW leaflets they'd instantly scream bloody murder. No, just doing unto YOU as you did unto others.
  
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  Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice

  by xxBettyBoopxx in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.

  but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

  tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

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  If you're really serious about doing this (I'd advise against it, but I don't know your reasons or your circumstances):

  If they don't believe you're 'truly' repentant, they won't reinstate you. It's that simple. It all boils down to their perceptions of you and whether or not any of those elders have an ax to grind with you. Put on a sad face, eyes downcast, maybe squeeze out a tear or two. Agree with whatever the elders say. Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the process.

  As far as I know, there's no mandatory minimum time you have to serve as DF'd before you can be reinstated. I've heard of some being reinstated after only a few months while others have waited two or three years for reinstatement. Elders have pretty wide leeway in whatever decisions they make and you have no right to question them.
  
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  Is this the last chance for inactive and df'd ones?

  by innerpeace in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi all, just wondering if there's anything going around about the elders receiving instruction from the society to give inactive ones and disfellowshipped ones one last chance to come back?

  i ask because i have a still in family member that i received a message from, and urging me to go back.

  the elders are apparently saying there is no time left.

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  I haven't heard anything. My dub family treats me as usual. We still have a relationship, so fingers crossed they don't get sucked into a fit of fanatic loyalty. I haven't had elders sniffing around in a couple years now.

  What it boils down to is: Same crap, different decade, different century. The 21st century wasn't supposed to get here before the Big A but here we are, 16 years in.
  
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  "back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

  their response was quite amazing.

  they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

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  The way I see it, the greatest evil in this world isn't actually doing something evil. It's sitting back, watching evil being done, and choosing to ignore it. Worse, knowing it's happening and actively covering it up. So WT and all JWs who prefer to bury your heads up your butts when it comes to baby rapers in your ranks, YOU ARE EVIL.
  
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  Happiness and Freedom On A Paradise Earth?

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at a recent meeting there was a watchtower article about life in paradise.

  they were saying that even when witnesses finally get there they will still be under the strict instructions from the elders and gb.

  they may be given jobs that they will find unpleasant, also the preaching work will be ongoing because of all the resurrected people who need to learn about why they are given another chance.

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  Eternal life in a never ending slave labor camp or death at Armageddon and an end to it all? Hmmmm. I think I'll opt for dying at Armageddon.
  
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  Hypocrisy of the governing body & abuse of J.W.'s

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  here is what the present "faithful & discreet slave" spewed out just a few years ago:.

  w06 3/15 p. 24 par.

  12 “each one will carry his own load” - "the source of pay and the location of the employment also enter into the picture.

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  My congregation outgrew its KH. We built a new one and the old one was sold to a small church. Used to make me laugh, seeing a big old cross on the building's front.
  
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  People hate God?

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is a pain that certain individuals pride themselves on hating god, who created everything.

  like it's understandable that you choose to not believe in him because of your selfishness or thinking skills but to hate him is forcing it a bit.

  i'm very thankful that those such as myself have the courage to believe in the lord.

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  looter, do some research. You're only 18 so I guess I can cut you some slack for that. I remember being 18 and realizing that the JWs were not The Truth. That started me down a path searching for the 'true religion'. Only to realize that there is NO 'true religion'. As I've said before, when you REALLY look you start seeing the holes in every single religion. Believe if you like. If after careful consideration you still believe, great. But don't preach at the rest of us.