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  Cult Fighters are short sighted fools

  by proplog2 in

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  the anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.

  it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.

  most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.

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  Abbadon:

  Cult is simply a four letter word. I have seen nothing scientific in connection with the application of that word. Even cult fighters admit that the word is "loaded". The list of questions suggested for defining "cult" are constructed in a way that produces a dichotomous typology rather than continuous variation along various dimensions. This is not science. Come up with a scale of at least 7 degrees on each of the dimensions you feel identify a cult. For example LEVEL OF CONTROL, OBEDIENCE TO SINGLE LEADER, DEGREE OF ISOLATION etc.

  Next examine various religious and secular organizations and rate them all based on "facts" based on published policy or actual practice as determined by both people in the organizations and people who have left. Then create a profile of various organizations.

  You might even want to do some multivariate analysis to see what the essential factors are. Then publish your results in a reputable journal of psychology or sociology. Then let's talk about cults. In the mean time we all have our opinions.

  At present "cult" is an almost useless label. In the case of JW's you have to consider the fact that the vast majority of the six million members are happy with their "religion".

  I meant this thread to be an opinion in response to all the non-sense that goes on here.
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  Cult Fighters are short sighted fools

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.

  it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.

  most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.

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  Abbaddon:

  To begin with, my intentions were to confront opinion with opinion.
  The confrontational tone is necessary once in a while so that
  people pay attention. If you don't get people mad once in a while
  they won't listen to the important things you have to say.

  Your rebuttal/counter-opinion is mostly based on your objections to
  my failure to elaborate on the word "cult".

  I define "cult" as a word with negative connotations which is used
  primarily with abusive intent. The checklists for determining if
  a group is a "cult" create a dichotomous typology rather than
  allowing for a scale expressing continuous variation along
  dimensions. Even organizations that consider themselves "anti-
  cult" acknowledge that "cult" is a loaded word.
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  Cult Fighters are short sighted fools

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.

  it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.

  most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.

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  TINA:

  Exposed? I think JW's have pretty much made it clear to people who join what they are all about. And it's been that way for over 100 years.

  You are never going to get much more than 1% of the population believing a religion like JW's.
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  A voice from Sweden

  by Norm in

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  the swedish paper expressen september 20, 2001.. we were ordered to become americans.

  the other night swedish fighter planes patrolled our skies.

  according to the defense ministry this was a link in our heightened readiness towards terrorism.

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  This is a quote from an editorial by William Pfaff (syndicated columnist) Date was around 1996

  IS `GLOBALIZATION' JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR IMPERIALISM?
  The "globalization" of national economies, so enthusiastically promoted by American government and business today, as during the past decade, amounts to an ideological form of Western imperialism to which the rest of the world is compelled to react. It now is meeting significant opposition, increasingly expressed in political as well as economic terms. The pattern is familiar. The center of Western power--the U.S. --attempts to impose upon others its own vision of how the world should be ordered. A workshop, mainly composed of senior economic historians, convoked at Harvard by the Luxembourg Institute for European and International Studies, recently asked why some countries are rich and some so poor. It found a part of the answer in the fact that the modern world is largely of Western invention, as are the industrial techniques for making a society rich.
  A Russian at this Cambridge meeting described the last few years in his country in terms of national humiliation. First came the collapse -- deserved, he agrees--of the Soviet system and of the doctrine which had governed Russia's actions since 1918. That was followed by a chaotic and caricatural economic Westernization, producing robber-capitalism and inviting Russia's exploitation by Western interests. At the same time many ordinary Russians have experienced falling living standards, and a certain demoralization of Russian society has taken place.
  He spoke of the times when Russia was isolated, and pursued its own course, as the best and most confident periods in its history. One may wonder if that is really true, but the sentiment expressed is very important. Once again an unconsidered and largely self-interested foreign intervention is generating negative consequences among thoughtful people, and not merely among demagogic nationalists--although the latter profit from this.
  The West's aggressive promulgation of its own ideas and values has in the past produced both good and some extremely bad results. World wars and universal ideologies are characteristic Western products. Other cultures have been undermined and destroyed because of the West's thoughtless conviction of the natural superiority of its own ideas. Material success has produced arrogance.
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  Cult Fighters are short sighted fools

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.

  it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.

  most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.

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  Tierce:

  You present a good point. I guess since I was basically expressing an evolutionary model I ought to be a good social scientist and sit back, take notes, and enjoy the show. Whatever happens ... happens.

  I just really am turned off by the old ladies passing out bars of soap for the smelly natives.
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  Peace Security & Touching Jehovah's Eyeball

  by Undine in

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  salutations,.

  i have been an inactive person for five years.

  i am revolted by "the good old boy's club, counting time, endless meeting attendance and being introduced as "one of our fine elder's wives" etcetera...i've read and been liberated by the crisis of conscience book and realize the smarminess that is characteristic of the "organization.

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  Babylon the Great is NOT false religion.

  http://members.aol.com/~proplog2/page1.html
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  Cult Fighters are short sighted fools

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.

  it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.

  most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.

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  Winston:

  Thanks for defending me when you can.

  I started this thread as a reaction to all the schemes that are being hatched on this forum. I view much of it as a type of terrorism.
  Intimidation IS a form of terrorism.

  JW's deserve some of this for intimidating their members. Can't dissenters ascend above the dirty tricks and intrigues?
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  Cult Fighters are short sighted fools

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.

  it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.

  most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.

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  Waiting:

  Sorry. I just got carried away. I'm intoxicated with bare midriffs and navels that sing. Down boy! MMMMMMMMMMTV I love it.

  I am entitled to my quota of generalizations.
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  Cult Fighters are short sighted fools

  by proplog2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anti-cultists are narrow minded and uninformed to say the least.. you see a lot of this here.

  it is mostly a cover for irrational hatred.

  most religions organized in a way that they expected their members to take their beliefs seriously.

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  Somebody:

  The inquisition was conducted by people who felt they were showing love for the poor wretched infidel. A little pain would save them from the suffering of hell-fire.

  I have no objection to people who want to use persuasion to coax people out of "bad" religions. But use of the "cult" label is an effort to enlist the help of governments to "protect" people from strange gods. That is dishonest and harmful.
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  I Got a Witness Today. Yep.

  by Farkel in

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  this morning i walked over to a 7/ll to get a cup of coffee.

  as i was leaving, i was approached by this very timid asian fellow.

  he wasn't in a suit.

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  Farkel:

  I hate to say it but you ARE a decent guy. At least you have always been decent & respectful to me. Now, don't take that as an insult.