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  Ant-Aging Update

  by metatron in

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  then go to "life extension daily news".

  click on the "science edges closer to fountain of youth".

  (the url is too awful).

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  Even if they eliminated all disease and age related deaths the average person will only live about 600 years. This is because of accidental death. True many may be real lucky and live to 2400 but just as many will have fatal accidents by the time they are 150.

  Accidental death becomes real important when that's the only cause of death. Perhaps new emphasis will be placed on accident prevention. Or maybe people will be iced instantly - rushed to a trauma center where the person has a bunch of vital organs grown from their own stem cells.

  Concquering death seems to be within the realm of possibility.
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  How Far We've Come

  by metatron in

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  i just wanted to add a note of optimism on the occasion of silentlambs.

  disfellowshipping.. some of us have known about sites like these for a few years.

  of us used to post on the old h2o site.

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  Gumby:

  Humans are creatures with a sense of time. This whole scenario played out in the first century. They expected Christ to come "soon". They gave up by the middle of the first century. By that date there wasn't anyone around who personally knew anyone who personally knew Jesus and the apostles. Time detached the Church from its moorings. At that point rituals and dogma became the foundation of the Church.

  The same has happened to JW's. Rituals and dogma have replaced Russells original vision. Most congregations don't have anyone that partakes at the memorial. The 80 questions the elders discuss with baptismal candidates is their catechism. Assemblies have been reduced from spectacular marathons to weekend events. Teaching ability is no longer required to be an Elder. They don't have the guts to set another date for armageddon. Without a date there is no reason to belong to a religion that requires such a huge investment of its members time.
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  New "Worship Book" - Again

  by eyeslice in

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  and that since then we have been in the last days of this wicked world.

  (matt.

  as being the time of christ's "presence and of the conclusion of the system of things.

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  The Isaiah book study is extremely tiring. Haven't been this bored since we studied the big thick Babylon book in the 1960's.

  This is the sort of stuff they publish when they are running out of ideas.
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  How Far We've Come

  by metatron in

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  i just wanted to add a note of optimism on the occasion of silentlambs.

  disfellowshipping.. some of us have known about sites like these for a few years.

  of us used to post on the old h2o site.

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  Outnfree:

  Of course neither of us have hard facts on the impact of this specific issue. However, please realize that we are talking about a Relgion. Religions seem to be able to handle the most brutal challenges. Remember the Reformation? The Catholic Church still exists.

  The Mormons have survived numerous attacks and schisms. The Watchtower has had serious setbacks - The Moyle crisis. Many failed prophetic dates. Don't forget that the Big Dogs were locked up back in 1918. Rank & File members went to prison over the draft. They are willing to die over the blood issue. And you think Bill Bowen or a steady stream of Bill Bowens is going to bring down JW's?

  I also take issue with you over the idea that you can hurt them in the wallet. I've been a JW for over 50 years. I know (knew) some of the GB personally along with many 2nd tier and they aren't in this for the money. They've had good times and they've had very lean times.

  A lot of people here are so disconnected from the reality of what Jehovah's Witnesses are about that they delude themselves into having more impact then they really do.

  If JW's are going to dissolve it will be for the simple reason that the end fails to come. They are built on the premise that the end is near. This idea will no longer sustain another generation of JW's. Without an immanent "armageddon" there is no reason to be a Jehovah's Witness.
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  What would you do if religion collapsed?

  by Prisila in

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  at this point in my life i feel very confident that leaving the jws was the best thing for me.

  however, 25 years of brainwashing goes a long way.

  (for arguments sake) if religion collapsed today, would you feel you made a mistake in leaving the wbts?

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  Dmouse is RIGHT!

  JW's have made a big mistake in predicting an all out attack on religion. Babylon the Great is NOT a religious entity.
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  How Far We've Come

  by metatron in

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  i just wanted to add a note of optimism on the occasion of silentlambs.

  disfellowshipping.. some of us have known about sites like these for a few years.

  of us used to post on the old h2o site.

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  Metatron:

  All the things you mention are just noise in the machinery. The machine still works. It keeps cranking out its product. From an organizational viewpoint the machinery chewed up Bowen and spit him out. He will disappear into obscurity.

  The next big terrorist attack and people will forget about all of this. In fact I have been talking to a lot of JW's from accross the country as they visit for the summer and they all are reporting a surge of Bible Studies. When asked about the dateline show they say that its just a bunch of apostates exploiting the failure of some local elders.
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  New "Worship Book" - Again

  by eyeslice in

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  and that since then we have been in the last days of this wicked world.

  (matt.

  as being the time of christ's "presence and of the conclusion of the system of things.

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  Excellent Job:

  Once again the problem is there is nobody at HQ that you can write to and ask about these changes. It's over. Either they have completed their mission and we will soon see fire in the sky or they are a rudderless boat.
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  JW's "LEFT BEHIND" In Armageddon News

  by proplog2 in

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  it's interesting to see a whole time magazine devoted to end time hysteria without one reference to jehovah's witnesses.

  without a "date" to look forward to jw's are just another religion.

  they have quit setting dates.

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  "Marked Years" were the main engine of growth for JW's. Russell would have never gotten out of the family business if he didn't think his chronology was correct. The ending of the "1914 Generation" anchor date was the last of these efforts. The passing of the millenium was a wake up. The reason so many Witness kids are going to college instead of pioneering is directly correlated with the lack of a target date.
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  JW's "LEFT BEHIND" In Armageddon News

  by proplog2 in

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  it's interesting to see a whole time magazine devoted to end time hysteria without one reference to jehovah's witnesses.

  without a "date" to look forward to jw's are just another religion.

  they have quit setting dates.

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  It's interesting to see a whole Time magazine devoted to End Time Hysteria without one reference to Jehovah's Witnesses. Without a "date" to look forward to JW's are just another religion. They have quit setting dates. This leaves them looking like just another fundamentalist religion. In marketing this is one of the worst sins. They have lost their USP - Unique Selling Proposition. The chorus of religions singing "soon...Soon...SOON" is getting louder and larger.
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  Justice Scalia calls JWs "crackpots"

  by proplog2 in

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  http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/00-1737p.zc1

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  http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/00-1737P.ZC1