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  What will Pres. G. Bush do now?

  by hambeak in

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  after watching his impromptu press conference yesterday on abc i am convinced that clown wants a war with either n. korea or iran.

  what do you folks think?

  especially your take across the pond as you say.

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  The N. Koreans have the bomb for one reason: prevent regime change.

  Any military attack on N. Korea would be interpreted by them as an effort to change their regime.

  They would level Seoul with artillery shells. South Korea doesn't want military confrontation. Especially, they wouldn't want to win such a confrontation and have to integrate N. Korea into their economy.

  China and Russia like situations that make the US look weak. So they really don't care.

  Actually there is nothing to worry about with the N. Koreans unless they export their technology. You can only try to slow down the growth of the nuclear club - you can't stop it.
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  evolution or creation? lets talk...

  by Sam87 in

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  ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

  (or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

  hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

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  Littletoe:

  You have an amazing capacity to referee these discussions and keep your sense of humor.
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  The answered prayer

  by Ade in

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  john 14:12 "most assuredly, i say to you, he who believes in me,the works that i do he will do also;and greater works than these he will do, because i go to my father.13"and whatever you ask in my name, that i will do, that the father may be glorified in the son 14:if you ask anything in my name, i will do it" .

  i understand that we ask for our prayers to be answered through jesus name as jesus is the amen.many will give a different answer to this question from the trinitarian/non trinitarian viewpoint.jesus says here that he will answer your prayers if you ask in his name.

  does this mean it is ok to request from jesus during the prayer.

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  AuldSoul:

  There is no "magical button". Nothing fails like prayer. Pray in one hand and crap in the other. See which one gets filled.

  Ade:

  No one is telling you that you have to swallow the water you are swimming in.
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  evolution or creation? lets talk...

  by Sam87 in

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  ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

  (or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

  hopefully this doesnt start to many arguments, lol.. .

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  I will ask this question again.

  I don't have time to read through this thread. A lot of it is the same ol stuff.

  Can anyone help out by listing what they consider "new" in this argument.

  Its an important area and I feel like I might be missing something. But I also get the feeling that no one in these discussions really is saying anything that couldn't be found on numerous FAQS posted on web sites that are devoted to the subject.

  Otherwise it seems to be a "GOOGLE" battle. Link vs. Link
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  (For Christians) Why Human Organization Is Unnecessary

  by AuldSoul in

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  coming out of jws, one of the most thorough studies i have done is on the topic of human organization.

  i have been very careful with this study for two reasons: (1) if human organization is important, then "where else do we go?

  " is an important question whether or not that is the question peter asked jesus; and (2) if human organization is not important, it allows us to see christianity, fellowship, and our personal relationship with christ in a whole new way.. i set out to determine whether human organization was necessary (and therefore, important), not to prove that it is unnecessary.

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  I hate being the last to post on a topic.
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  (For Christians) Why Human Organization Is Unnecessary

  by AuldSoul in

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  coming out of jws, one of the most thorough studies i have done is on the topic of human organization.

  i have been very careful with this study for two reasons: (1) if human organization is important, then "where else do we go?

  " is an important question whether or not that is the question peter asked jesus; and (2) if human organization is not important, it allows us to see christianity, fellowship, and our personal relationship with christ in a whole new way.. i set out to determine whether human organization was necessary (and therefore, important), not to prove that it is unnecessary.

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  Auld:

  I wasn't trying to take your thread off subject. I was trying to enlarge the context in which it is discussed in order to put things in a realistic perspective.

  After all we aren't playing dungeons and dragons. If you assume that somewhere in the real world there is this Holy Spirit guiding and directing things you ought to be able to specify some criteria for identifying the activity of Holy Spirit. Again it shouldn't be ambiguous. Still Jesus made it clear that some would expel demons and prophesy and do other powerful works that would ordinarily be attributed to Holy Spirit - yet they would be workers of lawlessness.

  This is not an easily digestible chunk for those who are looking for rationality and order.

  At best the argument over how much "organization" is necessary is one of preference. It is easy to be caught in the IS-OUGHT fallacy. We usuaully frame this in the form of assuming that because something IS NOW the practice, it ought to be the practice. But there is the converse also - assuming that because something is NOT the practice, it OUGHT NOT to be the practice.

  At various stages of development an organization may be structured differently. Upstart organizations are not as organized as a more mature organization. There is a process of defining structure and boundaries. At some point there is CON-SOLID-ATION. The structure becomes hardened or solidified. Creeds (purpose statements) are put together. Marching orders. Hierarchy. This cycle keeps repeating.

  What confuses me is that the best answers come from secular experience and explains ALL types of organizations. Holy Sprit can't explain anything because you can't even explain exactly what Holy Spirit really is and what differentiates it from so-called natural processes.

  The question of What is the True Organization is another topic. Or is that REALLY the topic you are discussing?
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  evolution or creation? lets talk...

  by Sam87 in

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  2. friends

  ok, lets have a discussion about where we all came from, evolution or creation?

  (or whatever you beleive in of course) every one put down there main reasons, along with reasonable facts and backup as to why.. .

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  I can't believe this subject has reached 6 pages.

  Although I am intensely interested in this subject I don't have the patience to read through all of it.

  Since this subject has been discussed at length in this forum and in forums specifically devoted to the evolution/creation subject - could someone please tell me what has been stated here that would be considered a truly unique presentation on this subject? If no one can do that then I will remain with my current thinking.

  1. There is NO extraordinary and unambiguous evidence that some sort of supreme being created man.

  2. The Genesis account is myth.

  3. Evolution is excellent science.
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  "Nothing ,,,will be unattainable for them"

  by metatron in

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  those words, taken from genesis 11:6 are quite remarkable.

  they suggest that jehovah confused the languages at the tower of babel.

  because, otherwise, the human race might obtain a god-like status.

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  Whether they like it or not the Watchtower will be liberated by the internet. They too shall know the truth.
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  The answered prayer

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
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  john 14:12 "most assuredly, i say to you, he who believes in me,the works that i do he will do also;and greater works than these he will do, because i go to my father.13"and whatever you ask in my name, that i will do, that the father may be glorified in the son 14:if you ask anything in my name, i will do it" .

  i understand that we ask for our prayers to be answered through jesus name as jesus is the amen.many will give a different answer to this question from the trinitarian/non trinitarian viewpoint.jesus says here that he will answer your prayers if you ask in his name.

  does this mean it is ok to request from jesus during the prayer.

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  You need to liberate yourself from ALL magical thinking. I have never really had an unambiguous answer to a prayer. I have had things turn out exceptionally well after praying and I have had things descend into a tragic hell after praying.

  Humans easily believe in the "follows after therefore caused by" fallacy.

  Some people pray and the rapist gets scared off. Others pray and the rape proceeds.
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  (For Christians) Why Human Organization Is Unnecessary

  by AuldSoul in

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  coming out of jws, one of the most thorough studies i have done is on the topic of human organization.

  i have been very careful with this study for two reasons: (1) if human organization is important, then "where else do we go?

  " is an important question whether or not that is the question peter asked jesus; and (2) if human organization is not important, it allows us to see christianity, fellowship, and our personal relationship with christ in a whole new way.. i set out to determine whether human organization was necessary (and therefore, important), not to prove that it is unnecessary.

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  You can't believe what the Bible says about Holy Spirit anymore than anything else in the Bible. Evolution teaches that organization is intrinsic to life - especially in primates. Our very existence is dependent on organization.

  People have to remember that organizations are just tools.