JH:
Yes, I really do believe Russia is the King of the North.
I also believe Russia fills these descriptions:
Moscow is the third Rome. Anglo American power IS not an extension of the Roman Empire - It has always been anti-Rome.
Dan. 2:42,43 Feet of iron and clay. Iron = fourth metal extension of Roman Empire Clay = over 100 nationalities that make up Russia.
Dan. 7:20,21 Little horn that emerges from the fourth beast (Roman Empire) and that persecutes the holy ones which leads to the Ancient of Days coming in defense with the eventual establishment of Kingdom Rule through the holy ones.
Dan. 8:23-25 The final King is Putin. Stern-faced king, master of deception got his power by being appointed. He causes deception to succeed. During a freedom from care (peace and security) he will bring many to ruin.
His current deception is the idea that he is relinquishing power as president. I expect a world emergency to emerge that lets him remain in power. It will be Russia as King of the North that will "put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation" Dan. 11:31 That will be the signal for the Holy Ones to leave Babylon the Great (USA)
This all harmonizes with Revelation if you realize that the 7th head of the beast that appears slaughtered but revives is Russia. The beast that was but is not yet remains as the eighth king is the revived Russian Empire. Wealthy Babylon the Great is the USA. It will first fall as a signal to the Holy Ones to get out of the USA before its final destruction by the Wild Beast.
I am very suspicious of something happening anytime from now until around the election for Russian president.
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Putin-powerful, but not his own power
by proplog2 inthe points keep lining up.
daniel 8:23 identifies three.
characteristics of the "king" that will stand against the prince of.
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My Personal Proof That Elders Are Not Appointed by Holy Spirit
by TMS inthis topic is not about men living sinfully at the time of their appointment as elders.
it is not about pedophile elders, although i've personally known three, two who were pedophiles at the time of their appointment by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.. first of all a quick summary of what jehovah's witnesses are taught about the appointment of elders and ministerial servants:.
before the visit of the circuit overseer, the local elders meet to consider who, if any, among the local congregation they will recommend as elders or .
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JK666 You nailed it dead on. Service time is the "currency". It buys all the privileges: Official positions and stage time.
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What Movie Could You Watch Over and Over Again?
by Abandoned infor me, there are a number of movies that i never tire of.
here's a partial list:.
elfthe holidaytommy boyplanes trains and automobilesdumb and dumber28 dayswhat are yours?.
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Dinah: I know I was sounding a little snobbish. You will notice that I only listed one movie. If I listed more, my shallow tastes would become too evident.
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Honor Killings vs. Disfellowshipping
by writetoknow inrecently two teenage girls in texas where kill by their father it has been reported as a honor killing.
do you think disfellowshipping can be elevated to the level of honor killings?.
special focus: islam.
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Gopher:
Are you saying that if a group of people really take their religion seriously they shouldn't expect loyalty?
I've seen that quote before. It explicitly invokes the law of Christ as a reason why they wouldn't physically harm anyone. Admittedly, it is worded in a constrained legalistic manner consistent with the organizations bad-ass pharisee attitude. But, it is not advocating Christians kill apostates.
June 15 1997 Quest From Readers about Death Penalty:
"But when it comes to the controversial question of whether any government of this world should exercise its right to execute murderers, genuine Christians remain carefully neutral. Unlike the clergy of Christendom, they keep out of any debate on this subject." -
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What Movie Could You Watch Over and Over Again?
by Abandoned infor me, there are a number of movies that i never tire of.
here's a partial list:.
elfthe holidaytommy boyplanes trains and automobilesdumb and dumber28 dayswhat are yours?.
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Looking at everyone's list I am really surprised Shallow Hal didn't show up somewhere.
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SPIRITUALITY THROUGH THE UNIVERSE
by Dansk ini've not hidden the fact that i'm an atheist, something i've come to through what i believe is thorough research and experience.
however, while i no longer consider myself religious i do believe i am spiritual.. i do not believe the universe was created by an all powerful being, but that the universe is that all powerful being.
in other words, we are all part of the universe, as are all sentient and insentient bodies, and we are subject to its laws.
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I don't believe in the concept of an all-powerful or omniscient god. However, I believe there are intelligent entities who have also evolved and are ahead of us on the technological curve. They may intervene enough to keep us striving. The Bible speaks of Angels. Some call them aliens. I like to call them "AngeLIENS.
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My Personal Proof That Elders Are Not Appointed by Holy Spirit
by TMS inthis topic is not about men living sinfully at the time of their appointment as elders.
it is not about pedophile elders, although i've personally known three, two who were pedophiles at the time of their appointment by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.. first of all a quick summary of what jehovah's witnesses are taught about the appointment of elders and ministerial servants:.
before the visit of the circuit overseer, the local elders meet to consider who, if any, among the local congregation they will recommend as elders or .
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Karl Klein was chairman of the governing body when he told my uncle that the original set-up of the elder arrangement in 1972 was a "mutual admiration society".
Of course the Watchtower will claim that the individuals doing the appointing have to act in accord with the spirit. And in a sense they follow the general guideline in the Bible - Husband of one wife, no accusation from outside, example to congregation etc. etc.
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Honor Killings vs. Disfellowshipping
by writetoknow inrecently two teenage girls in texas where kill by their father it has been reported as a honor killing.
do you think disfellowshipping can be elevated to the level of honor killings?.
special focus: islam.
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Disfellowshipping is NOT killing. All organizations have the right to kick people out.
Corporations do it all the time - it's called firing and it isn't always after a fair hearing either.
As to the so-called Watchtower that says JW's would kill people that do bad things... they never said that.
However, I have always been troubled by the Murder of Ananias and Saphira. I know the scriptures say Holy Spirit killed them but I don't believe that. It sounds like an ancient Urban Legend. -
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What Movie Could You Watch Over and Over Again?
by Abandoned infor me, there are a number of movies that i never tire of.
here's a partial list:.
elfthe holidaytommy boyplanes trains and automobilesdumb and dumber28 dayswhat are yours?.
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Vertigo - Never get tired of it. Great scenes of San Francisco in 1958. Very sexy but only through suggestion. Skeptics delight because it turns the tables on demon possession.
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Putin-powerful, but not his own power
by proplog2 inthe points keep lining up.
daniel 8:23 identifies three.
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Bringing this up again because Putin has been chosen Person of the Year.
What follows are portions of that article:
"Russia lives in history—and history lives in Russia. Throughout much of the 20th century, the Soviet Union cast an ominous shadow over the world. It was the U.S.'s dark twin. But after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Russia receded from the American consciousness as we became mired in our own polarized politics. And it lost its place in the great game of geopolitics, its significance dwarfed not just by the U.S. but also by the rising giants of China and India. That view was always naive. Russia is central to our world—and the new world that is being born. It is the largest country on earth; it shares a 2,600-mile (4,200 km) border with China; it has a significant and restive Islamic population; it has the world's largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction and a lethal nuclear arsenal; it is the world's second largest oil producer after Saudi Arabia; and it is an indispensable player in whatever happens in the Middle East. For all these reasons, if Russia fails, all bets are off for the 21st century. And if Russia succeeds as a nation-state in the family of nations, it will owe much of that success to one man, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
No one would label Putin a child of destiny. The only surviving son of a Leningrad factory worker, he was born after what the Russians call the Great Patriotic War, in which they lost more than 26 million people. The only evidence that fate played a part in Putin's story comes from his grandfather's job: he cooked for Joseph Stalin, the dictator who inflicted ungodly terrors on his nation.
When this intense and brooding KGB agent took over as President of Russia in 2000, he found a country on the verge of becoming a failed state. With dauntless persistence, a sharp vision of what Russia should become and a sense that he embodied the spirit of Mother Russia, Putin has put his country back on the map. And he intends to redraw it himself. Though he will step down as Russia's President in March, he will continue to lead his country as its Prime Minister and attempt to transform it into a new kind of nation, beholden to neither East nor West.
Vladimir Putin gives a first impression of contained power: he is compact and moves stiffly but efficiently. He is fit, thanks to years spent honing his black-belt judo skills and, these days, early-morning swims of an hour or more. And while he is diminutive—5 ft. 6 in. (about 1.7 m) seems a reasonable guess—he projects steely confidence and strength. Putin is unmistakably Russian, with chiseled facial features and those penetrating eyes. Charm is not part of his presentation of self—he makes no effort to be ingratiating. One senses that he pays constant obeisance to a determined inner discipline.
In his eight years as President, he has guided his nation through a remarkable transformation. He has restored stability and a sense of pride among citizens who, after years of Soviet stagnation, rode the heartbreaking roller coaster of raised and dashed expectations when Gorbachev and then Yeltsin were in charge. A basket case in the 1990s, Russia's economy has grown an average of 7% a year for the past five years. The country has paid off a foreign debt that once neared $200 billion. Russia's rich have gotten richer, often obscenely so. But the poor are doing better too: workers' salaries have more than doubled since 2003. True, this is partly a result of oil at $90 a barrel, and oil is a commodity Russia has in large supply. But Putin has deftly managed the windfall and spread the wealth enough so that people feel hopeful.
Russia's revival is changing the course of the modern world. After decades of slumbering underachievement, the Bear is back.
Putin himself is sardonic but humorless. In our hours together, he didn't attempt a joke, and he misread several of our attempts at playfulness. As Henry Kissinger, who has met and interacted with Russian leaders since Brezhnev, puts it, "He does not rely on personal charm. It is a combination of aloofness, considerable intelligence, strategic grasp and Russian nationalism"
Path to Power
That Russia needed fixing was acknowledged by all. But how was it that Putin got the call? What was it that lifted him to power, and to the dacha in Novo-Ogarevo?
Putin's rise continues to perplex even devoted Kremlin observers.
Although Putin often says that he had no connections when he arrived in the capital in mid-1996, he had several powerful allies who landed him work in the Kremlin. He became deputy to the head of Yeltsin's general-affairs department. Within two years he was asked to head the FSB, the spy-agency successor to the disbanded KGB.
within four months a declining Yeltsin asked Putin to take over as acting President. Putin tells us he initially declined but that Yeltsin raised it again, saying, "Don't say no." By the last day of 1999 Putin was running the country.
We ask if it had ever occurred to Putin that history would place him in such a role. "It never occurred to me," he says. "It still surprises me."
To the West, meanwhile, Putin was a mystery. Russia watchers debated endlessly: Was he a pro-Western reformer? (He had worked for Sobchak.) Or a hard-liner? (He was a career KGB man.)
There are no mass purges in Russia today, no broad climate of terror. But Putin is reconstituting a strong state, and anyone who stands in his way will pay for it. "Putin has returned to the mechanism of one-man rule," says Talbott of the Brookings Institution. "Yet it's a new kind of state, with elements that are contemporary and elements from the past."
And there's plenty that could go wrong. The depth of corruption, the pockets of militant unrest, the ever present vulnerability of the economy to swings in commodity prices—all this threatens to unravel the gains that have been made. But Putin has played his own hand well. As Prime Minister, he is set to see out the rest of the drama of Russia's re-emergence. And almost no one in Russia is in a position to stop him. If he succeeds, Russia will become a political competitor to the U.S. and to rising nations like China and India. It will be one of the great powers of the new world.