Posts by pseudoxristos

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Short truth about 9/11, Truth hurts you know!

by Legendary U.2.K. in

jw
friends

" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?

jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....

pseudoxristos

Justification,

Ex 23:22
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey
his voice, and do all that I speak;
then I will be an enemy unto thine
enemies, and an adversary unto thine
adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before
thee, and bring thee in unto the
Amorites, and the Hittites, and the
Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the
Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I
will cut them off.

De 32:42
42 I will make mine arrows drunk
with blood, and my sword shall
devour flesh; [and that] with the
blood of the slain and of the
captives, from the beginning of
revenges upon the enemy.
43 Rejoice, O ye nations, [with]
his people: for he will avenge the
blood of his servants, and will
render vengeance to his adversaries,
and will be merciful unto his land,
[and] to his people.

De 33:27
27 The eternal God [is thy]
refuge, and underneath [are] the
everlasting arms: and he shall
thrust out the enemy from before
thee; and shall say, Destroy [them].

Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
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Fight in God's way with those who fight with you, but transgress not;
verily, God loves not those who do transgress.
Kill them wherever ye find them, and drive them out from whence they
drive you out; for sedition is worse than slaughter; but fight them not
by the Sacred Mosque until they fight you there; then kill them, for
such is the recompense of those that misbelieve.
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Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
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Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned
them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led
astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a
path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye
might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee
in God's way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill
them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor
help,- save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an
alliance- or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from
fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would
have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought
you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you
peace,- then God hath given you no way against them.
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pseudo

added references to scriptures

Edited by - pseudoxristos on 12 September 2002 1:33:1

41

Short truth about 9/11, Truth hurts you know!

by Legendary U.2.K. in

jw
friends

" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?

jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....

pseudoxristos

I have'nt read the whole koran, so i dont know about that love thy neighbor, enemies thing.. I read other things!

Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
---------------------------------------------------------
Righteousness is not that ye turn your faces towards the east or the
west, but righteousness is, one who believes in God, and the last day,
and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives wealth
for His love to kindred, and orphans, and the poor, and the son of the
road, beggars, and those in captivity; and who is steadfast in prayer,
and gives alms; and those who are sure of their covenant when they make
a covenant; and the patient in poverty, and distress, and in time of
violence; these are they who are true, and these are those who fear.
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Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
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Thou wilt surely find that the strongest in enmity against those who
believe are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt find the nearest
in love to those who believe to be those who say, 'We are Christians;'
that is because there are amongst them priests and monks, and because
they are not proud.
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Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
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IN the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
O ye who believe! take not my enemy and your enemy for patrons,
encountering them with love; for they misbelieve in the truth that is
to come to you; they drive out the Apostle and you for that ye believe
in God your Lord!
If ye go forth fighting strenuously in my cause and craving my good
pleasure, and secretly show love for them, yet do I know best what ye
conceal and what ye display! and he of you who does so has erred from
the level path.---------------------------------------------------------
Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
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They who fulfil their vows, and fear a day, the evil which shall fly
abroad, and who give food for His love to the poor and the orphan and
the captive. 'We only feed you for God's sake; we desire not from you
either reward or thanks; we fear from our Lord a frowning, calamitous
day!'
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Many of man's problems are caused by religion. The Koran, like the Bible has been used to teach love for your neighbor as well as death to your neighbor. Belief in an afterlife has the effect of causing many to put a lower value on this present life. If everyone would consider that this life is the only one that you get. Maybe they would have more respect for the life of their neighbor.

pseudo

41

Short truth about 9/11, Truth hurts you know!

by Legendary U.2.K. in

jw
friends

" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?

jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....

pseudoxristos

More people are killed *EACH MONTH* in the USA in motor vehicle collisions.

The people that died on 9/11 were killed by a direct act of religious fanatics. Though the sorrow and pain of losing anyone is the same no matter what the circumstances, there is a difference between accidental deaths caused by motor vehicle collisions and intentional deaths in the name of religion.

pseudo

41

Short truth about 9/11, Truth hurts you know!

by Legendary U.2.K. in

jw
friends

" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?

jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....

pseudoxristos

but if people would heed christ words, and God words, and pay attention then the sorrow will decrease and joyful times will increase......

Which God should we pay attention to? Bin Laden's God and his prophet Mohammed or your God and his son Jesus? Maybe the problem is placing to much hope in the afterlife, and forgetting to live in this life.

pseudo

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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #19

by ozziepost in

jw
friends

to mark this weekend's district convention in sydney, australia, we are asked to cast our minds back in time and remember those district convention days with a certain nostalgia.

so, are you ready to begin that walk down memory lane?

settle back with a cuppa with me and reflect awhile.

pseudoxristos

I have to add this one

"Wandered through the Halls or went outside."

I found myself doing this constantly.

Looked around, wondering "Why?"

I remember one time when everyone was standing for a long time after a song or for some reason. I got tired of standing, so I thought "now this is really stupid". I sat down, and watched the rest of the zombies just standing there waiting to be told to that they could sit. I was never a Witness, but just went to please the Wife, so I was always looking around, wondering "Why?"

pseudo

11

How do JW's define god in reference to Jesus?

by pseudoxristos in

in a group on yahoo, i'm involved in a discussion about the deity of jesus.

i've asked the witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to jesus) in john 1:1. so far they have not responded.

i was wondering if any current jws or or former jws here could give me a the proper watchtower definition/view.

pseudoxristos

I think I have figured out.

Jesus is a god, but there is only one God "Jehovah". But Jesus can be called a god because there are really many gods like Satan and the Worldly Authorities. But these are not really gods but false gods because there is only one "True God". Of course Jesus is not a false god but just a lesser god. Even though he is not "The God" he is truely a god, unlike so-called gods who are really false gods. Isaiah even goes so far as to call him "mighty god". So now that we've determined that we have "The God" Jehovah and the lesser mighty god Jesus. It must be pointed out that Jesus is really the Archangel Michael. So it basically boils down to just one God and they are the one True God Jehovah and the other lesser mighty god Micheal the Archangel aka Jesus.

It couldn't be any clearer.

pseudo

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How do JW's define god in reference to Jesus?

by pseudoxristos in

in a group on yahoo, i'm involved in a discussion about the deity of jesus.

i've asked the witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to jesus) in john 1:1. so far they have not responded.

i was wondering if any current jws or or former jws here could give me a the proper watchtower definition/view.

pseudoxristos

Thanks for your thoughts everyone,

The big problem I seem to be having with their discussion is that the meaning seems to be in a constant state of change depending upon the line of reasoning. When challenged with the concept of only one god, they counter with the idea that there are many gods (basically anyone or thing with authority). When it is suggest that he is not a true god they state that in fact he is a god just not "The God". The only response so far that seems to work the best with JWs beliefs is that the word god should be viewed as an adjective (such as "Divine"). If this is the case, it still does not answer the question of whether Jesus is a god or not. I don't get it, I'm still confused.

pseudo

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How do JW's define god in reference to Jesus?

by pseudoxristos in

in a group on yahoo, i'm involved in a discussion about the deity of jesus.

i've asked the witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to jesus) in john 1:1. so far they have not responded.

i was wondering if any current jws or or former jws here could give me a the proper watchtower definition/view.

pseudoxristos

Hi everyone,

In a group on Yahoo, I'm involved in a discussion about the deity of Jesus. I've asked the Witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to Jesus) in John 1:1. So far they have not responded. I was wondering if any current JWs or or former JWs here could give me a the proper Watchtower definition/view. I've quoted The American Heritage Dictionary for a start.

Thanks,

pseudo

god (gd) noun
1. God. a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal
object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force,
effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian
Science. "Infinite Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love"
(Mary Baker Eddy).
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in
and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to
control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: money was
their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.

Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

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So how do you explain

by plmkrzy in

i asked this q in another thread but thought the question might fit in better over here in bible research .

thinking out loud again.

it doesn't seem to matter what bible you read, unless you're looking for discrepancies in translation it's not easy to just abandon the big picture.

pseudoxristos

Plum,

Am I understanding you right? Those two subjects are the major reason you chose to chuck the entire Bible?

Not exactly, those two subjects more or less started the process of examining the rest of the Bible and finding that there are reasonable explanations to show that it is nothing more than a work of Man. If only one part of the Bible can be shown to be incorrect then the entire Bible can be questioned. For example: If it can be shown that Moses did not write the Torah, then this brings to question the authority of someone like Jesus, who quotes Moses and assumes that he is the author.

Without getting into to much detail the following are some of the problems I've found with the Bible.

Two conflicting creation accounts,
Conflicting sections of the flood account
Didiograhps (sp?) (same story repeated 2 or more times, often in different settings) (Abraham passes his aged wife off as his sister and the King falls in love with the old lady, his nephew does the same thing with his wife)
Torah supposable written by Moses contains an account of Moses' death.
Three discernable writers of the Torah (Priestly, Yahwist, Elohist) . When the Torah was edited to combine these writings very little effort was spent to harmonize conflicting accounts.
Daniel is a pseudopigraph (Daniel was not the author) (much later writing than it claims) (not part of the prophets) (very similar to other pseudopigraphia during the same time period) (late writing explains the accuracy of the fulfilled prophesies)
Synoptic Gospels (Mark appears to be written first, with Matthew and Luke copying and using it as a general outline)
Paul never really quotes the Gospels. They seemed to have surfaced to fill the void of no biography.
The fact that there are other writings (obviously fiction) not included in the canon. With this many fictitious works around how was the canon of the NT decided.

Some of these points by themselves could be explained away, but these and many other points when combined provide strong evidence against the Bible as God's word.

How do you feel about other so called "Inspired" writings? Do you think the Bible was a knock off of prior writings or do you think all writings said to be inspired by God or a higher life-force are just story's/fairy tails? I would have to go back and read over some of your posts because I can't remember if you stopped believing in God completely or not. Sorry, I don't make notes of who still believes and who does not etc. etc. so I have to ask.

Other writings. Apocrypha, OT pseudopigraphia, NT Apocrypha:

Most are obvious fictions and just add more evidence that Men alone could have produced the writings of the Bible.

Hope this answers the questions.

pseudo

16

So how do you explain

by plmkrzy in

i asked this q in another thread but thought the question might fit in better over here in bible research .

thinking out loud again.

it doesn't seem to matter what bible you read, unless you're looking for discrepancies in translation it's not easy to just abandon the big picture.

pseudoxristos

It doesn't seem to matter what bible you read, unless you're looking for discrepancies in translation it's not easy to just abandon the big picture. Unless you didn't really buy it to begin with, starting at childhood.

I was raised as a Baptist, and I never once really doubted that the Bible was God's word. I started having serious doubts after my wife (now ex-wife) became a Witness and started trying to convert me. The more Witnesses showed me that some of my former beliefs were incorrect, the more I wanted to know the "Real Truth". I had to start from scratch and base my new beliefs on facts and not what someone had taught me as a child. After studying Biblical Criticism, I realized that there were reasonable explanations to how the Bible could have be composed not by inspiration but by mere Men. Many of the cornerstones of the Christian religion, such as the fulfilled prophecies, no longer seemed convincing. The problems with the Biblical Flood and the fact that the book of Daniel is obviously a pseudopigraph are the two main points that convinced me that the Bible is just a clever book of stories.

pseudoxristos

edited for spelling and clarification

Edited by - pseudoxristos on 1 September 2002 19:33:36