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" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?
jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....
As my last post to this thread I would like to offer my sincere sympathy to all affected by the attacks of 9/11.
pseudo
" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?
jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....
Justification,
Ex 23:22
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey
his voice, and do all that I speak;
then I will be an enemy unto thine
enemies, and an adversary unto thine
adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before
thee, and bring thee in unto the
Amorites, and the Hittites, and the
Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the
Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I
will cut them off.
De 32:42
42 I will make mine arrows drunk
with blood, and my sword shall
devour flesh; [and that] with the
blood of the slain and of the
captives, from the beginning of
revenges upon the enemy.
43 Rejoice, O ye nations, [with]
his people: for he will avenge the
blood of his servants, and will
render vengeance to his adversaries,
and will be merciful unto his land,
[and] to his people.
De 33:27
27 The eternal God [is thy]
refuge, and underneath [are] the
everlasting arms: and he shall
thrust out the enemy from before
thee; and shall say, Destroy [them].
Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
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Fight in God's way with those who fight with you, but transgress not;
verily, God loves not those who do transgress.
Kill them wherever ye find them, and drive them out from whence they
drive you out; for sedition is worse than slaughter; but fight them not
by the Sacred Mosque until they fight you there; then kill them, for
such is the recompense of those that misbelieve.
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Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
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Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned
them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led
astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a
path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye
might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee
in God's way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill
them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor
help,- save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an
alliance- or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from
fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would
have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought
you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you
peace,- then God hath given you no way against them.
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pseudo
added references to scriptures
Edited by - pseudoxristos on 12 September 2002 1:33:1
" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?
jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....
I have'nt read the whole koran, so i dont know about that love thy neighbor, enemies thing.. I read other things!Koran (Muslim) Religious Document
Many of man's problems are caused by religion. The Koran, like the Bible has been used to teach love for your neighbor as well as death to your neighbor. Belief in an afterlife has the effect of causing many to put a lower value on this present life. If everyone would consider that this life is the only one that you get. Maybe they would have more respect for the life of their neighbor.
pseudo
" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?
jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....
More people are killed *EACH MONTH* in the USA in motor vehicle collisions.
The people that died on 9/11 were killed by a direct act of religious fanatics. Though the sorrow and pain of losing anyone is the same no matter what the circumstances, there is a difference between accidental deaths caused by motor vehicle collisions and intentional deaths in the name of religion.
pseudo
" we are the cause of our destruction *(it's quoted different in the bible) / i believe that 9/11 was a bad day, we cry & mourn & move on, we get over it, i got over 9/11 in under 24 hours & to be honest i'm sick of hearing about it.... now i also understand that millions was not paying attention before 9/11 & they still aint paying attention.. if people would wake the hell up and read the bible they would already know that god already warn us to listen to him, and be on guard 24/7 cause that devil which we call satan exist and on the move to overthrow billions........ where is your faith?
jesus clearly said that not to sorrow for the dead, cause they will get resurrected when the messiah comes back- john 5 verse 28,29.. so get over it and heed jesus words....
but if people would heed christ words, and God words, and pay attention then the sorrow will decrease and joyful times will increase......
Which God should we pay attention to? Bin Laden's God and his prophet Mohammed or your God and his son Jesus? Maybe the problem is placing to much hope in the afterlife, and forgetting to live in this life.
pseudo
to mark this weekend's district convention in sydney, australia, we are asked to cast our minds back in time and remember those district convention days with a certain nostalgia.
so, are you ready to begin that walk down memory lane?
settle back with a cuppa with me and reflect awhile.
I have to add this one
"Wandered through the Halls or went outside."
I found myself doing this constantly.
Looked around, wondering "Why?"
I remember one time when everyone was standing for a long time after a song or for some reason. I got tired of standing, so I thought "now this is really stupid". I sat down, and watched the rest of the zombies just standing there waiting to be told to that they could sit. I was never a Witness, but just went to please the Wife, so I was always looking around, wondering "Why?"
pseudo
in a group on yahoo, i'm involved in a discussion about the deity of jesus.
i've asked the witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to jesus) in john 1:1. so far they have not responded.
i was wondering if any current jws or or former jws here could give me a the proper watchtower definition/view.
I think I have figured out.
Jesus is a god, but there is only one God "Jehovah". But Jesus can be called a god because there are really many gods like Satan and the Worldly Authorities. But these are not really gods but false gods because there is only one "True God". Of course Jesus is not a false god but just a lesser god. Even though he is not "The God" he is truely a god, unlike so-called gods who are really false gods. Isaiah even goes so far as to call him "mighty god". So now that we've determined that we have "The God" Jehovah and the lesser mighty god Jesus. It must be pointed out that Jesus is really the Archangel Michael. So it basically boils down to just one God and they are the one True God Jehovah and the other lesser mighty god Micheal the Archangel aka Jesus.
It couldn't be any clearer.
pseudo
in a group on yahoo, i'm involved in a discussion about the deity of jesus.
i've asked the witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to jesus) in john 1:1. so far they have not responded.
i was wondering if any current jws or or former jws here could give me a the proper watchtower definition/view.
Thanks for your thoughts everyone,
The big problem I seem to be having with their discussion is that the meaning seems to be in a constant state of change depending upon the line of reasoning. When challenged with the concept of only one god, they counter with the idea that there are many gods (basically anyone or thing with authority). When it is suggest that he is not a true god they state that in fact he is a god just not "The God". The only response so far that seems to work the best with JWs beliefs is that the word god should be viewed as an adjective (such as "Divine"). If this is the case, it still does not answer the question of whether Jesus is a god or not. I don't get it, I'm still confused.
pseudo
in a group on yahoo, i'm involved in a discussion about the deity of jesus.
i've asked the witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to jesus) in john 1:1. so far they have not responded.
i was wondering if any current jws or or former jws here could give me a the proper watchtower definition/view.
Hi everyone,
In a group on Yahoo, I'm involved in a discussion about the deity of Jesus. I've asked the Witnesses there to give a specific definition of the word god (in reference to Jesus) in John 1:1. So far they have not responded. I was wondering if any current JWs or or former JWs here could give me a the proper Watchtower definition/view. I've quoted The American Heritage Dictionary for a start.
Thanks,
pseudo
god (gd) noun
1. God. a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal
object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force,
effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian
Science. "Infinite Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love"
(Mary Baker Eddy).
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in
and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to
control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: money was
their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.
Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.