Maybe he's working on his next plan right now. I hope it makes more sense.
pseudo
some christian clear this up for me willya?
christians are saved thru the mediation of christ right?
if thats the case, will someone tell me why god spent 3000, 2000 years, however long, stuffing around with patriachs and israelites?
Maybe he's working on his next plan right now. I hope it makes more sense.
pseudo
the following is a past post from the old h20 before the skeptics migrated over to jwd for whatever reasons they had at the time.
i was pretty much worn out at the time as i was just beginning my mission to proclaim the creator and his existence.
the time miraculous has come to resume that fight with new vigor for i no longer have to start from scratch.
Zech,
Did you just think that up out of thin air.
No. I don't really have enough time or the background to thoroughly analysis the entire bible. So I have to rely on others more qualified to do it. Their analysis may not be totally accurate, but they seem to make more sense than your analysis.
Surely you have some Bible scholar to quote to back that up.
Of course I do. Can you provide a bibliography for the book of Job?
You would dismiss the Bible as easily as you dismiss God. Yet you would say you are not biased. Maybe you are just trying to experiment with the power of belief.
Actually for me it was the other way around. First I obtained sufficient evidence to dismiss the Bible, then God.
Of course I'm biased. The evidence that I have seen has biased me towards disbelief. Anything that you present will be weighed against that evidence. Any scripture that you quote will be viewed in light of my past examination of the that evidence. I am not biased to the point of not considering the possiblity that God exists, or that the Bible is his word. I will look at evidence in support of the Bible/God, if it makes sense. But, it must be pointed out that I had believed in God and the Bible for more than 3/4 of my life. I believe that I am well aware of most of the evidence for the Bible/God. At this point in my life the Mountain of evidence against the Bible/God far outweighs the pile of dirt infavor of the Bible/God. If you have any evidence please present it, hopefully I will have not already considered it.
Were you aware of the scholars opinions concerning the book of Job and the Elihu speeches?
pseudo
the following is a past post from the old h20 before the skeptics migrated over to jwd for whatever reasons they had at the time.
i was pretty much worn out at the time as i was just beginning my mission to proclaim the creator and his existence.
the time miraculous has come to resume that fight with new vigor for i no longer have to start from scratch.
Zech
ELIHU CONTINUED:The four Elihu speeches are not considered part of the original work.
(2)(3) "Do you think it is right for you to claim, "I haven't sinned, but I'm no better off before God than if I had"?
(4) I will answer you, and all your friends too.
(5)Look up there into the sky, high above you ............
He is not introduced in the opening narrative. His speeches are not anticipated in the preceding chapters, nor does it have any effect in what follows. He is not taken into account at all in the closing narrative. The insertion of his speeches interrupt what is clearly intended as the direct movement from the speeches of Job to those of God. In several instances when God speaks it is presupposed that Job has just spoke not Elihu. There is substantial linguistic differences between his speeches and the context. The poem makes much more sense when these speeches are removed.
pseudo
i have announced i am on a crusade to encourage skeptics to think on the issue in a way they probably have never done before.
i initially have made the mistake of cramming everything into one, two or three posts.
this i should have immediately recognized is an impossibilty because what i have in mind requires a great amount of meditation to fu;;y comprehend.
Zech,
You refuse to accept that all belief is a matter of choice.
I have to admit that sometimes I have a problem with the uncertainity of the origin of life. This seems to be the one question that does not have a satisfactory answer without a creator. But, on the other hand the theory of Creation has its own problems. I (must) choose to believe the Theory that has the least amount of problems. An invisible being that refuse to communicate with Mankind in an effective manner is far more troublesome than the Theory of evolution. All powerful Gods should have the power to convince me that they exist. Their refusal to do so does not help their position.
I am not by any evidence forced to believe a certain way.
I am forced to believe a certain way by evidence and also by the lack of evidence. Evidence does not necessarily mean that something is absolutely a fact without some doubt. To believe in opposition to the evidence, is to live in denial.
This being true the wise thing is only to believe only that which it benefits me to.
How do you determine what is of benefit to you? Is your decision as to what is of benefit based upon evidence? Or do you just flip a coin on that decision also? When the coin lands heads up, do you decide that the evidence indicates heads up, or do you just believe what you want?
Oh, yeah, If God truly does not exist, how do you benefit by believing in him? Will your thoughts and actions that are based on your belief in God be pointless and therefore of no benefit (waste of time)?
pseudo
edited for grammar and clarity, also added the following:
Does the evidence indicate that God exists or does not exist?
If you answer, "exists", then you believe in agreement with the evidence, therefore how can we know that you choose to ignore the evidence?
If you answer, "does not exist" then you know that God does not exist, but just say you believe he does. Knowledge and belief cannot be separated. If you know he does not exist, this discussion is pointless.
If you answer, "don't know" then we still cannot believe that you choose to ignore the evidence.
Edited by - pseudoxristos on 24 September 2002 4:34:18
here's a question: how many licks does it take to get to the center of a t--?.
uh ... sorry.. here's the right question: what is the society's official stance on neanderthals?
there was a recent article in "u.s. news & world report" that mentioned them; and i realized, "hey!
They claim that the fossil skeleton found was merely deformed from disease .
Do they really claim this?
pseudo
i have announced i am on a crusade to encourage skeptics to think on the issue in a way they probably have never done before.
i initially have made the mistake of cramming everything into one, two or three posts.
this i should have immediately recognized is an impossibilty because what i have in mind requires a great amount of meditation to fu;;y comprehend.
Do not you believe in the power of prayer? No, not in the sense that some invisible being is going to listen and do something. Maybe, a believer will obtain some positive result but the same result could be obtained with positive thinking. I don't pray, seems pointless.
Do you celebrate Thanksgiving? If so why? Yes, Cultural requirement.
Do you believe a law of reciprocity (reaping what you sow) exists? If so who or what enforces these laws? No, but most decent people will try to help others who they feel are deserving. The opposite is also true. Most people will avoid a**holes. This is not really a law of reciprocity, but human nature.
Do you agree with the following concept?
Do you recognize what is being spoken of at 2 Corinthians as the physical (carnal) man vs. the spiritual man. The physical man ignores his spiritual heritage as a son of God in his likeness whereas the spiritual anccepts it and Godas his father.
No.
Are any emotions positive or negative unique to the individual or are the shared universlly?It is a shocking fact that as Gods Little Computer People we are all connected together with all spirit creatures and God. It is on kind of a invisible LAN network that we all can access with the right clearances and passwords.
The human experience is shared universally. All PCs running the same operating system don't have to be connected on a LAN to be able to responed in the same manner to the same data.
It is amazing how on Talk shows the whole world can tap into hurt, joy, or love being expressed. All emotions good and bad are out there invisible like radio waves. We receive the emotions we are tuned into in many ways. Can you see this is true? These emotions are all spirits having personality. I am certain this is why ancient civilization developed there were individual Gods for every emotion. In a sense there exists just that.
You don't need invisible spirits to explain human nature.
hi folks.
what do you like about kingdom halls?.
i am not talking about the software i.e., the people, the pure language, the music, the smell of lavender as the toilet door swings to, or the obedient rustle of bible pages.
Hey, I thought this thread was locked????
pseudo
Opps, ignore this. I was trying to do something that I was not suppose to do, and apparently it didn't work.
Edited by - pseudoxristos on 18 September 2002 3:7:55
any bethelites remember the rite-of-passage for bethelites, bidding on rooms.
for new-boys that basically translated into moving from one 5 x 5 room to the next (unless you started pioneering at the age of 9).
for senior bethelite members, you're basically lickin' your chops because all those years of seniority can be used to obtain a room with a ...............bathroom.
Seating at the convictions brings back memories. It always looked like everyones BookBags regurgitated all over the seats when you first got there. Everyone was saving seats exactly like they were told not to do.
pseudo
any bethelites remember the rite-of-passage for bethelites, bidding on rooms.
for new-boys that basically translated into moving from one 5 x 5 room to the next (unless you started pioneering at the age of 9).
for senior bethelite members, you're basically lickin' your chops because all those years of seniority can be used to obtain a room with a ...............bathroom.
Pope says:
There were 150 of us living in a shoebox in the middle of the road!
Is there a mattress manufactured that would go into that size of a shoebox? It would have to measure 15 inches or less in length. Did you know that a conventional twin-size mattress measures 75 inches in length? That's 60 inches over the size you claim the box is!
Maybe you better retell your STORY, Pope, except the next time try to exaggerate quite a bit less. Why should anyone believe a thing that you say ... sheesh!
Pseudo.
i have never felt more helpless in my life.
my grandma is sick, dying, and there is nothing i can do.
when i look at her, i see this echo of a woman that once was vital, strong and alive.
((((Viv))))
pseudo