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Kingdom Ministry July 2004

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i'm trying to join a witness forum and need information from the july 2004 kingdom ministry.. i hope someone can help.. thanks in advance.. pseudo

pseudoxristos

I'm trying to join a Witness forum and need information from the July 2004 Kingdom Ministry.

I hope someone can help.

Thanks in advance.

pseudo

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Anybody ever sold anything on line? Can you give me any pointers?

by Robdar in

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i work for an art store.

today, after checking the bradford exchange, i discovered that 2 plates that we had in the store were considerably underpriced.

each plate was priced at $49.95 but i got them for 30% less because of my employee discount.

pseudoxristos

I've sold stuff on ebay, mainly for the entertainment value.

Go to the dollar store, buy some junk for a dollar.
Take a couple of pictures.
Write up a catchy description and list it.
Set the price at 50 cents.
Set the shipping at $2.50

Set back and wait.

Two months and $70.00 later I got bored with it.

Good luck.

pseudo

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I graduate tomorrow!!

by Leolaia in

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with my phd!

finally after all these long years.

the funny thing tho is that i'm walking through the ceremony, but not getting my diploma... yet.

pseudoxristos

Congratulations. What a great accomplishment.

pseudo

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Annual Convention/Keynote Speaker; Parallels between Today and Noah's day?

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has anyone heard what is being discussed at the convention this year?.

i noticed that an article from the amarillo globe mentions the keynote speaker's talk is about the parallels between the world of noah and the world today.

i'm wondering how much emphasis is put on the 120 years?.

pseudoxristos

Has anyone heard what is being discussed at the convention this year?

I noticed that an article from the Amarillo Globe mentions the keynote speaker's talk is about the parallels between the World of Noah and the World today.

I'm wondering how much emphasis is put on the 120 years?

pseudo

"A belief is not true because it is useful."
-- Henri-Frédéric Amiel (1821-81), Swiss philosopher, poet

http://www.amarillonet.com/stories/060504/new_jehovah.shtml

Web-posted Saturday, June 5, 2004
Jehovah's Witnesses gather in Amarillo

By Paige Dickerson
[email protected]
The Amarillo Globe-News

Alta Tinsley went to her first Jehovah's Witnesses convention 62 years ago in Phoenix. She never stopped.
Six decades later, she brought her daughter, Maudean Moore, and her granddaughter, Melanie Reynolds, to the annual convention at the Amarillo Civic Center. The three generations met up from New York and Lubbock at the Amarillo convention this weekend at the Civic Center.

"I belonged to another church, and I learned nothing there. Then I started to hear about the paradise on Earth and I thought that was the best news I'd heard, so I pursued it," Tinsley said.

Even though she encountered some resistance, Tinsley continued to attend conventions and services with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

"There was nothing so severe that it outweighed the benefits," Tinsley said.

Tinsley took her daughter to the conventions from a young age and at 7 years old, Moore was baptized.

"Being the good mother she was, she instilled biblical principles in me," Moore said. "I had a normal childhood in the sense of going to school. There is not only a better hope for the future, but there is less involvement in the dangerous things that are around."

Reynolds, Tinsley's granddaughter, works directly for the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., in the purchasing department. The primary function of the headquarters is to train and send out missionaries all over the world.

"I did examine some other religions, but I knew this way of life was best," Reynolds said. "The conferences are the highlight of our year. We are always wondering what biblical prophecy talks are going on."

One of the thing all three generations appreciate about the Jehovah's Witnesses is the trustworthiness of everyone at the conventions.

"They said in New York there were lots of policemen assigned, but they said they had nothing to do. They were all riding around on horses, and the big excitement of the day was to give the kids rides around," Moore said.

Reynolds also emphasized the dedication to obedience that the members have.

"It's not that we're not individual people or personalities, but we do try very hard because we have a great love for Jehovah and a respect for the theocracy that is set up," Reynolds said. "If we were at a Yankees' game, they (the audience) would be so disrespectful, but for us we do (what the announcer says) because it is part of our worship."

This year's convention will draw an estimated 4,500 people for lessons on a "Walk with God."

Keynote speaker Virgil Lowery spoke on the parallels between the world of Noah and the world today. The convention continues through Sunday with an emphasis on the role of religion in a world of changing values.

Today's events will include a baptism service at 11:50 a.m. in the Civic Center Coliseum. A drama, "They Bore Thorough Witness to the Good News,"will be at 11:10 a.m. Sunday in the coliseum.

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Blatant Lie, or is it possible?

by pseudoxristos in

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quote of a witness, while discussing the jan 1, 1989 watchtower versus the 1989 bound volume:

"the apostle paul was spearheading the christian missionary activity.

he was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.

pseudoxristos

Farkel,

Maybe I didn?t make this very clear.

The Witnesses I quoted is saying that there were magazines with both the "IN OUR 20TH CENTURY" phrase and the "IN OUR DAY" phrase.

He is also implying that the Bound volume is correct in that it correctly reflected the magazines where the article read "IN OUR DAY".

This is what I considered a blatant lie.

It doesn?t seem likely that the Watchtower would stop the presses in the middle of the printing, change the article, continue the printing and then distribute both versions of the article.

I find that it may be difficult to argue this point with him, because he claims to have seen a copy of the Watchtower with the phrase "IN OUR DAY" in it.

I?m wondering if anyone else has heard of such, and how to politely tell him he is full of crap.

pseudo

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Blatant Lie, or is it possible?

by pseudoxristos in

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quote of a witness, while discussing the jan 1, 1989 watchtower versus the 1989 bound volume:

"the apostle paul was spearheading the christian missionary activity.

he was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.

pseudoxristos

Quote of a Witness, while discussing the Jan 1, 1989 Watchtower versus the 1989 bound volume:

"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed IN OUR 20TH CENTURY."
[emphasis added]
However there are some that actually read like this:
"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed IN OUR DAY."
[emphasis added]
It was an interesting study to say the least. My copy read as the first example but my wife's read as the second example. There are things that are refered to as "typo" errors. Mystery solved.

I feel relatively sure that this is just a blatant lie, but I am curious if this could even be remotely possible. I?m also wondering how to handle this in a debate situation.

Pseudo

but the FACT is once out of the congregation, once outside the organization, an enormously large percentage of them go on to practice filth and debauchery of ALL sorts.

--Anonymous Jehovah's Witness (2004)--

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Hey, I can get paid to go to church

by pseudoxristos in

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church to try pay for pray

new life tabernacle in sand springs will give $10 cash to easter guests.

by bill sherman

pseudoxristos

Church to try pay for pray

New Life Tabernacle in Sand Springs will give $10 cash to Easter guests.

By Bill Sherman

World Religion Writer

A Sand Springs congregation will bring new meaning Sunday to the idea that it pays to go to church.

New Life Tabernacle, 13107 W. 41 st St., will give a $10 bill to each visitor, ages 15 and older, who attends and Easter service.

?It?s pretty radical. Some of my friends think I?m crazy,? said the Rev. Dan Switzer, who has been the pastor of the United Pentecostal church for 16 years.

?But we think we have a great church, and we want people to experience it.

?Hopefully the service will touch some lives and have a positive effect on some people.

?We realize we could get all kinds of people.?

Switzer said he knew of no Oklahoma church that has paid people to attend services, but he had heard of a California church that had great success doing it, and a black church that offered money to white people to attend as a way to break down racial barriers.

Bishop Fred Caldwell of the predominantly black Greenwood Acres Full Gospel Baptist Church in Shreveport, La., paid whites $5 and hour out of his own pocket last year for attending Sunday services, and $10 an hour for Thursday night services. The offer was made in an effort to decrease segregation during services.

New Life?s guests will need to sign in as they arrive, and they will be told where to pick up their $10 bill after the services, Switzer said. The 130-member church is prepared to handle up to 500 people, he said.

?We anticipate this could cost us several thousand dollars,? he said. ?That would be a good problem to have.?

New Life?s Easter services are scheduled for 10 a.m. and 6:30 P.M. Sunday. The sermon will be by Daryl Bennett, an evangelist from Lufkin, Texas.

The children?s church will have puppets and skits. An Easter egg hunt with candy for the children will follow the 10 a.m. service.

yeudo

but the FACT is once out of the congregation, once outside the organization, an enormously large percentage of them go on to practice filth and debauchery of ALL sorts.
--Anonymous Jehovah's Witness (2004)--

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?The International Year of Volunteers" and the Watchtower

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first, on may 11, 2001, in response to an enquete commission demand, jehovah's witnesses submitted a document containing their viewpoint on the subject "the future of civic activities.

statement of jehovas a witness to the enquete commission?

275, 29 november 1997, s. l 5); jehovas.

pseudoxristos

Thanks NewSense,

I was able to find the following information on the different commitees:

I assumed that the Watchtower was responding to a "Study Commission".

The "Committee of Inquiry" appears to be a much more serious investigation and seems to be geared toward government issues.

pseudo

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Committees of inquiry

In accordance with Article 44 of the Basic Law the Bundestag has the right to set up committees of inquiry to investigate specific matters; it is obliged to do so upon the motion of one quarter of its Members. This very important minority right is used in particular by the opposition to ensure investigation of cases of alleged misgovernment, maladministration or misconduct on the part of individual politicians. The motion must contain a precise description of the subject of the inquiry. When deciding to set up a committee of inquiry, the Bundestag also decides on its size. Generally, such committees are relatively small with between five and seven members. Committees of inquiry have the right to summon and swear in witnesses and to demand that the Federal Government submit files and grant permission for its civil servants to give evidence. The Federal Government may only refuse to do so if, by submitting files or granting such permission, it feels it would harm the interests of the Federation or one of its constituent states, or seriously jeopardize or impede the performance of public functions. In principle, committees of inquiry must hear evidence in public.

Committees of inquiry summarize their findings in a report which they submit to the plenary. If there are differences of opinion on the findings between the ruling coalition and the opposition, as is mostly the case, the report contains both the majority and the minority view. More important, however, than the report, which appears some time after the completion of the committee's work, is the impact on public opinion of the committee's public meetings. Two committees of inquiry were set up in the 13th electoral term (1994-1998):

1st Committee of Inquiry ,
concerned with the illegal plutonium deal in Munich in August 1994;
2nd Committee of Inquiry ,
concerned with assets of the GDR and, in particular, the question whether prior to the peaceful revolution in 1989 state-owned enterprises and the Department of Commercial Coordination worked together with and transferred funds to the intelligence division of the Ministry of State Security.

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Study commissions

A distinction must be made between committees of inquiry and study commissions. Whereas the former are composed entirely of Members of the Bundestag and have the task of investigating public affairs, the latter comprise both Members and independent experts. Their task is to gather as much relevent information as possible on a given subject, thereby providing law-makers with a basis for decision-making on complex and important issues. In these study commissions, the experts enjoy the same rights as the Members of the Bundestag. Unlike those submitted by committees of inquiry, the reports presented to the Bundestag by study commissions do not end with recommendations for decisions by the plenary. Rather, if the Bundestag is to take a decision on them, proposals contained in the reports must be taken up by the plenary or by the Federal Government and introduced in the Bundestag in the form of a motion or bill.

Study commissions are another instrument, in addition to public hearings, by means of which the Bundestag draws on external expertise. They do not affect the Federal Government's right to set up expert commissions of its own, as it has done already on subjects such as party law and electoral law.

In the 14th electoral term the following five study commissions were active in the German Bundestag:

Study Commission on the Protection of Mankind and the Environment
(12 Members and 12 experts)
Study Commission on Overcoming the Consequences of the SED Dictatorship in the Process of German Unity
(12 Members and 12 experts)
Study Commission on Demographic Change
(12 Members and 12 experts)
Study Commission on the Future of the Media in the Economy and Society - Germany on the Way to the Information Society
(11 Members and 11 experts)
Study Commission on So-called Sects and Psycho-groups
(24 Members and 11 experts)

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?The International Year of Volunteers" and the Watchtower

by pseudoxristos in

first, on may 11, 2001, in response to an enquete commission demand, jehovah's witnesses submitted a document containing their viewpoint on the subject "the future of civic activities.

statement of jehovas a witness to the enquete commission?

275, 29 november 1997, s. l 5); jehovas.

pseudoxristos

mineralogist,

Here is a rough translation using google's language resources.

pseudo

Sparkling wines or religion? - witnesses Jehovas fight for acknowledgment as church
AUTHORS: Michael Heine and Marcus Weller

We had already reported into contrasts on the witnesses Jehovas, on cases of child abuse. It was particularly heavy for the concerning to look for assistance because the members are not to call the lay courts.

The community rejects the state as system Satans. But the material support by our State of, those would like it already, including all privileges.

Now the court must decide whether the witnesses Jehovas are recognized as a body of public right. Then they might levy church tax and for their youth work would get them automatically money of the state, which they call nevertheless in their writings devil work.

Michael Heine and Marcus Weller with rare views of the interior life of an organization, which shrinks from the public.

The world fall, the total destruction. The end of all disbelieving ones. Already soon it will so far be. In it the witnesses Jehovas believe. Only they will survive. For more than 100 years already they wait for the approaching end, because then the paradies follows it:

No wrong, no diseases and eternal peace on ground connection - that is the promise.

"it will wipe each tear off of its eyes and will be death no more."

the strictly led organization counts 190,000 trailers - alone in Germany. Their members reject the lay order as system Satans, in addition also the state with all its institutions counts.

Paradoxically: Nevertheless they fight before court for the acknowledgment by straight this state. They would be then the office churches on an equal footing. It does not concern here however faith contents. Crucial is only, as the organization deals with the rights of its members.

The Kirchenrechtler Professor Ralf Abel was intensively occupied with the witnesses Jehovas:

Professor Ralf Abel:
"the condition says one, in a general manner: everyone can do and leave which it wants, but: it must respect the rights other and it must the general order accept."

To this different in the sense also the members of the organization belong to the condition. Particularly door-willing has heavy conditions with the witnesses. And who offends against the strict rules of the witnesses Jehovas, the separation from the own family and the social isolation risks. Because Jehova does not bear a contradiction. An amateur video shows now for the first time, what the witnesses of critics in the own rows hold:

Amateur video:
"and there should be under the members of the large people quantity someone, which embodies a notorious spirit of a Noerglers or a know-it-all, someone means to have to transform the theokratische organization from down he should change if he liked to remain a far guest in tents."

The court will also have itself to employ with how the witnesses Jehovas deal with their children: which role plays physical corporal punishment and in what respect a personality-disturbing bulkheading of the external world takes place.

Professor Ralf Abel:
"with the respected rights the other one it depends naturally also on as one deals for example with the own protection-ordered. Thus for example with child under age as coined/shaped, some say possibly to be trained, like SE to ideas of the witnesses Jehovas be subjected."

Already one year ago it reported CONTRASTS that the witnesses Jehovas in many cases hurt the rights of their children.

An example under many: Ursel wagner was nine years old, when she was sexually abused of a witness Jehovas.

Ursel wagner:
"there the brother came regularly to attendance and to my parents offered, hey, I brings the small one in the bed, I reads out to her still another history, makes it determines fun."

Cornelia wagner:
"you must introduce yourselves, I stand and make my handle laundry, Mach mean washing-up and this young man are in the room of my daughter, read out to her stories and continue to abuse them a room."

Ursels parents, even glaeubige witnesses Jehovas, contact - as prescribed - the religious community. But the oldest ones of the municipality require to regulate the thing internally:

Cornelia wagner:
"I could not believe that, what these people of me to require now, what I do should, i.e. are silent."

For Stefan wolf has this proceeding method. The former witness Jehovas documented numerous of such cases:

Stefan wolf:
"the concerning have themselves to the oldest ones turned, which were first question, give it to witnesses for it and the second action consisted of saying to the victim it is not or it is not about it to talk. It is tried in all rule to clarify the whole internally. If the author repents it, there were such cases also, then, okay, dear child, you is evenly said must forgive it, because Jehova also forgave it."

Layman courts with the witnesses Jehovas. In the text book for the oldest ones "give eight on you and on the whole herd" is called it:

Quotation: "certain disputes... should not become delivered before lay courts...."

"... it lies with the oldest ones to decide whether the statements are reliable "

Wants to be called: Even if children are abused, the witnesses try to prevent Jehovas that the victims before lay courts look for assistance. The organization strives for it - as in this advertising video -, to up-polish their image. Because with the acknowledgment as church it concerns also much money and power.

So the witnesses Jehovas could among other things. Church tax to draw in leave, their youth work would be automatically eligible for promotion and they could own representatives into public committees e.g. broadcast councils send. They would have a national seal right. So they might authenticate officially for documents.

Stefan wolf:
"if they absolutely and at very much expenditure this body status to attain want, conclude I from the fact that they have other motives, which do not have to do nothing at all with religion. And there only monetary reasons actually occur to me."

The center of the witnesses Jehovas in the Taunus: CONTRASTS naturally for an interview asked. But the organization partitions itself and places unacceptable demands.

In a letter not intended for the publication the "Glaeubigen" demands from the Taunus:

Quotation: "the statements unabridged and ungeschnitten sent, without these are commentated."

With such methods an independent reporting is to be prevented. Because into the public only that is to arrive, which in its magazines "being awake tower" and "awake" one announces.

Freedom of religion against rights of the children. The higher administrative court Berlin will now finally have to clarify whether the witnesses Jehovas fulfill the criteria for the acknowledgment. If the organization should be once recognized only, you can be taken the body rights only with difficulty again - so it wants the law.

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?The International Year of Volunteers" and the Watchtower

by pseudoxristos in

first, on may 11, 2001, in response to an enquete commission demand, jehovah's witnesses submitted a document containing their viewpoint on the subject "the future of civic activities.

statement of jehovas a witness to the enquete commission?

275, 29 november 1997, s. l 5); jehovas.

pseudoxristos

mineralogist,

Thanks for your response.

I had the feeling that the document was BS, as you brought out ?usual BS from the WTS.?

I hope you can answer a few questions.

1. ?Enquete-Komission? what does the term ?Enquete? mean in English?

2. Do you know if the other organizations were NGOs?

3. You said the ?JWs had no success?, what were they trying to accomplish?

4. Were the organizations ?demanded? to respond or was this something that was voluntary?

Thanks,

pseudo