sorry if this may have been already posted, but it looks like the wts' response to upcoming nbc "dateline" episode.
http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/7163532856.htm.
this link was posted today on a witness board at yahoo.. the audio starts out as follows:.
Sorry if this may have been already posted, but it looks like the WTS' response to upcoming NBC "Dateline" episode.
http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/7163532856.htm
This link was posted today on a Witness board at Yahoo.
The audio starts out as follows:
"We've heard the suggestions that our policies may not be adequate to cover the problems with child molestation."
hi everyone,.
i am a new poster who is putting off their own personal story of finding this site for a while..... i find alot of people here utterly fascinating, and would like to know..... exactly what is everyones professional field of work?.
i would like to be a full time poster on this forum, but alas, the $$$$ are quite light in that field of work.. apologies if this has been asked before.. just curious.
engineer/embedded software programmer.
the publication and distribution of bibles and bible literature by jehovah's witnesses is part of a worldwide bible educational work that is supported by voluntary donations.. .
emphasis added.
interesting statement just above the picture of the new world translation.. i never thought about it, but if the watchtower is so interested in worldwide bible education, then why don't they have an online version of the nwt?.
From what I remember, when placing literature at the door, they state that "The World Wide Work is supported by voluntary contributions". (Witness is then suppose to extend hand at this point for those who don't get this subtle hint) (just kidding). One of the brothers I studied with also made the same statement while he was working the magazine counter when I was getting the 1995 Watchtower library. (Witness is then suppose to point to the contribution box). I was fairly new at the time so he informed me that he was required to do this on more expensive items.
the publication and distribution of bibles and bible literature by jehovah's witnesses is part of a worldwide bible educational work that is supported by voluntary donations.. .
emphasis added.
interesting statement just above the picture of the new world translation.. i never thought about it, but if the watchtower is so interested in worldwide bible education, then why don't they have an online version of the nwt?.
One thing that always got me was that Witnesses always stress the fact that they don't pass a collection plate in their services.
Isn't going door to door asking for donations, kind of like taking a collection plate to all of their neighbor's house?
the publication and distribution of bibles and bible literature by jehovah's witnesses is part of a worldwide bible educational work that is supported by voluntary donations.. .
emphasis added.
interesting statement just above the picture of the new world translation.. i never thought about it, but if the watchtower is so interested in worldwide bible education, then why don't they have an online version of the nwt?.
The publication and distribution of Bibles and Bible literature by Jehovah's Witnesses is part of a worldwide Bible educational work that is supported by voluntary donations.
emphasis added
Interesting statement just above the picture of the New World Translation.
I never thought about it, but if the Watchtower is so interested in worldwide Bible education, then why don't they have an online version of the NWT?
I needed to quote several verses from the NWT, but my 1995 Watchtower Library doesn't seem to work. It looks like the only choice I have is to find a Witness and come up with the required voluntary donation for a new CD.
the appeal court backed the decision of the lower court judge.. i am not rejoicing that the girl is necessarily getting the blood, tho i certainly like her chances for survival far better this way than with the 'alternative' treatment.
i have long been of the opinion that people have the right to chose medical treatment as long as it is an informed decision .
the court in their ruling support the fact that this girl did not make an inofrmed choice and was under intense pressure from the church, not her own belief.
SixofNine,
You are absolutely correct. I do agree with you on that point.
From the moderator's and other members point of view, they accepted the gossip that he was insane(I think this translates to apostate or loss of faith). I wrote the response trying not to expose them to much reallity. I did not want to get kicked off the forum.
pseudoxristos
edited for spelling, I rilly need too use a spill cheker.
the appeal court backed the decision of the lower court judge.. i am not rejoicing that the girl is necessarily getting the blood, tho i certainly like her chances for survival far better this way than with the 'alternative' treatment.
i have long been of the opinion that people have the right to chose medical treatment as long as it is an informed decision .
the court in their ruling support the fact that this girl did not make an inofrmed choice and was under intense pressure from the church, not her own belief.
“After the transfusions combined with intense chemotherapy, her leukemia is now in remission.”
This is Great News!!! I am very happy for her and her family that she is doing better and should continue to improve because of the latest decision.
A JW forum that I subscribe to recently had a post with the heading "Present day torture of a witness in Canada". The following thread has the disgusting quote.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=25158&site=3
This along with other recent posts sickened me enough to send the moderators the following:
Several issues about this forum have concerned me greatly within the past couple of weeks. First of all I am not a Witness, I did study and attend meetings at one time. I am currently inactive, but I do enjoy this forum for the insight into the lives of Witnesses.My intention was for him to post this on the forum. Predictably it didn’t happen. His response in an e-mail to me, basically stated that I was arrogant and I should not make a judgment without all of the facts.
The first issue that greatly concerns me, is the idea that this forum had been highly censored in the past, at least since I've been a member. This became obvious with the change in moderators. Recently the amount of messages have increased significantly. This seems to indicate that many posts in the past never made it to this forum. This along with the previous moderators insistence that the current moderators should not "post too many mail in a single day or week", also indicates that this forum had been greatly censored. The recent issue about not wearing shoes at the book study, obviously would not have received so many posts with the previous moderator. Even though some may have not appreciated the attention the shoe issue had received, it was typical of a much more honest and open forum.The more open format of the new moderators, although refreshing, now seems to have revealed some insights into the lives of Witnesses that most people would find appalling. The idea that Witnesses would search the obituaries for potential converts is unacceptable according to most worldly people.
>"I have known of sisters and brothers that went through the newspaper looking for
>obituaries (death announcements) and researched the family members then wrote them a
>brief letter included the brochure "When Someone You Love Dies". In doing this some
>have started bible studies."The lack of response from all on this forum concerning this practice seems to indicate that this is acceptable.
The last issue that concerns me is the post about the "Present day torture of a witness in Canada". The vilification of the father and anyone associated with him is uncalled for. This is a very difficult situation for all including the father. Even though all baptized Witnesses have made the decision not to accept blood, the majority have not been tested with the reality of losing a child. Any doubt about ones religion will definitely be put to the test in a situation like this. The idea that his daughter's life could be saved with blood transfusions probably seemed more real to the father than his faith that Jehovah would resurrect her into the New System. The post about the girl in Canada truly shows the attitude of Witnesses concerning those that do not agree with the blood policy. Again the complete silence regarding vilification of the girl’s father shows that everyone on this forum is willing to accept what is surely gossip and half-truths. It seems that vilifying the father makes it easier to believe that the average faithful Witness would never consider sacrificing his standing with Jehovah for the love of his child.
Thanks for the link, I just sent his forum some facts.
pseudoxristos
edited for formating
in south flordia yesterday and apostate found a money bag full of cash in her shopping bag when she got home.
the cash was in the amount of $3700 dollars, and was the stores cash receipts.
so said apostate called the store and reported the money, and then returned it.
And I thought Apostates didn't have morals. That is one upstanding Apostate. By the way do you live in South Flordia?
http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp .
president bush is proud to introduce an ambitious new phase in the fight to preserve all that is decent in america.
conceived and championed by the revered republican think tank americans for purity, "operation infinite purity" is dedicated to the complete eradication of masturbation from american soil by the year 2005. .
Myth: Masturbation is a "Victimless Crime."
Reality: Theological experts on masturbation have come to the conclusion that masturbation is what is known as a "gateway" sin. This means that masturbation leads to more serious offenses. In fact, practically all rapists, Sodomites, child molesters and pornography addicts started out as Masturbators.
Doesn't the next quote more or less make the previous quote pointless?
Myth: But everyone's doing it!
Reality: Surveys have repeatedly shown that up to 5% of Americans don't masturbate
i belive the watchtower will fall.. maybe not now but in ten or twenty years its really going to be struggling.. it will be obvious to most in a few more years thay armageddon is not coming , 1914 is wrong etc.
"apostate knowledge" will become much more widespread due to the internet.. it is different to other religions in the fact that everyone is looking forward to armageddon in their life time.
it is the driving force for witnesses and will cause it to die.armaggedons no-show will cause bitter disappointment .. those who have left already , and have taken their families with them have stunted future groth as this is mostly made up of children of believers .. people are becoming better educated and more knowledgeable in general.. all the elderly ones will have died, with no link to the past ,and no armaggedon enthusiasm will die out.. this generation of witnesses may be the last.. (then i woke up)or did i?
I believe the best we can hope for is a kinder, gentler Watchtower. The major turning point will be when 1914 is dropped. After this many of the other absurd doctrines will be dropped, leading to a more sincere less cult like religion. I'm not sure it can still be called the Watchtower after this, but I do believe it will happen, hopefully within the next 5-8 years.
