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  Harold Camping- we were wrong, but God still used us for His purpose!

  by moshe in

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  from the family radio website last month--.

  we were even so bold as to insist that the bible guaranteed that christ would return on may 21 and that the true believers would be raptured.

  yet this incorrect and sinful statement allowed god to get the attention of a great many people who otherwise would not have paid attention.

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  And this, from "The Author's Forward" in the 1917 reprint of The Time Is At Hand, after 1914 had come and gone and not entirely produced what Charles Taze Russell declared it would in the original version:

  "The author acknowledges that in this book he presents the thought that the Lord's saints might expect to be with Him in glory at the ending of the Gentile Times. This was a natural mistake to fall into, but the Lord overruled it for the blessing of His people. The thought that the Church would all be gathered to glory before October, 1914, certainly did have a very stimulating and sanctifying effect upon thousands, all of whom accordingly can praise the Lord - even for the mistake. Many, indeed, can express themselves as being thankful to the Lord that the culmination of the Church's hopes was not reached at the time we expected; and that we, as the Lord's people, have further opportunities of perfecting holiness and of being partici-pators with our Master in the further presentation of His, Message to His people."

  Exactly the same specious reasoning.

  (You can find it here: http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/timeisathand/title.html)
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  Is the WTS and the JW's going to collapse in 2014?

  by braincleaned in

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  two years to go, and an embarrassing whole century will have gone by after 1914 -- the date of armageddon.

  in no world is that a "short period of time".... .

  let's put things in perspective, since the wts claims to be the channel god has choosen.

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  JWs have managed to establish for themselves a doctrine which ensures that they are never wrong.

  They form just 0.1% of the world's population, and yet still maintain that this a "great crowd" which no man is able to number. This number could double, or treble, and it would still be the "few" that are on the narrow path. On the other hand, if there is a sudden downturn in the numbers - even if this turned out to be a mass exodus from the organisation - then they would triumphantly delare that in the last days, according to Matthew 24:12, "the love of the greater number will cool off," and it is the one that "has endured to the end" that will be saved.

  It is a win-win situation.
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  I too have been charged with apostasy! Stunned.

  by FinchAndWeston in

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  my wife and i got a letter sent to me stating we are being called before a judical hearing to discuss allegations of apostasy!

  we haven't gone to the meeting in 5 years.

  are the jw's on a witchhunt lately?

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  rory-ks

  Astonishing story, uninformed. But, I agree, it is a satisfactory feeling to be out.
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  ex-jw-uk

  by bigmac in

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  i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

  i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

  i've already found several by reading older posts..

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  rory-ks

  Sudbury, Suffolk
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  Where is the Society headquarters these days?

  by rory-ks in

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  i actually find this whole matter a bit creepy.

  i find it very hard to think of the watch tower society as a cult in the same mould as jonestown or the branch davidians, and yet their out-of-town facilities increasingly take on the appearance of a cultish stronghold.. where is the society headquarters these days?

  is it up in wallkill?

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  Thanks, Barbara, that was very helpful.

  Each member of the Governing Body has an apartment in Brooklyn, Patterson, and Wallkill

  This is the sort of thing that powers the Society. How could they possibly give up that sort of financed lifestyle? That's them set for the next thirty-odd years!
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  I too have been charged with apostasy! Stunned.

  by FinchAndWeston in

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  my wife and i got a letter sent to me stating we are being called before a judical hearing to discuss allegations of apostasy!

  we haven't gone to the meeting in 5 years.

  are the jw's on a witchhunt lately?

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  rory-ks

  You have not associated for five years? You had coloured lights outside your house? That's all you know? If their letter says "We invite you to a judicial hearing to discuss allegations of apostasy," then ultimately it is a judicial committee to expel you for apostasy. Allegations would first need to be investigated, and then a judicial committee formed.

  Think before sending your letter of disassociation - that is the path they would prefer you take.

  Ignore it. They will have to do better than that.
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  Where is the Society headquarters these days?

  by rory-ks in

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  i actually find this whole matter a bit creepy.

  i find it very hard to think of the watch tower society as a cult in the same mould as jonestown or the branch davidians, and yet their out-of-town facilities increasingly take on the appearance of a cultish stronghold.. where is the society headquarters these days?

  is it up in wallkill?

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  Blond-moment, I take it that is highlighting how many lawyers there are signed up to work for the Society. Is that right?

  Gayle, it seems weirdly panicky to me, too.

  Is the Headquarters still concidered to be 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn? It just seems strange that official letters come from the Watchtower Education Centre. Where do members of GB tend to live these days?
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  Where is the Society headquarters these days?

  by rory-ks in

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  i actually find this whole matter a bit creepy.

  i find it very hard to think of the watch tower society as a cult in the same mould as jonestown or the branch davidians, and yet their out-of-town facilities increasingly take on the appearance of a cultish stronghold.. where is the society headquarters these days?

  is it up in wallkill?

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  rory-ks

  Is this a silly question, or has it just foxed everyone?
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  Where is the Society headquarters these days?

  by rory-ks in

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  i actually find this whole matter a bit creepy.

  i find it very hard to think of the watch tower society as a cult in the same mould as jonestown or the branch davidians, and yet their out-of-town facilities increasingly take on the appearance of a cultish stronghold.. where is the society headquarters these days?

  is it up in wallkill?

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  rory-ks

  I actually find this whole matter a bit creepy. I find it very hard to think of the Watch Tower Society as a cult in the same mould as Jonestown or the Branch Davidians, and yet their out-of-town facilities increasingly take on the appearance of a cultish stronghold.

  Where is the Society headquarters these days? Is it up in Wallkill? Why is all the correspondence channelled through 2821 Route 22, Patterson, NY? What is at 900 Red Mills Road, Wallkill, NY 12589 - is it just Watchtower Farms? Or is "farm" just a code word these days?

  Have the Society deliberately divided up their assets so that they can't be pinned down to one location? Is it possible to send a letter anywhere and expect it to find its way to anything resembling an HQ?

  Help me out here, I'm a bit confused.
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  Thinking about disassociating yourself - STOP!...at least for a moment

  by rory-ks in

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  (this recent forum post about a letter of disassociation encouraged me to post this new topic.

  it's been sitting in my drafts folder for a little while, but now is as good a time as any.).

  my suggestion would be, try not to go down the route of disassociation.

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  rory-ks

  You make a very good case, Finkelstein. I think I got myself into a perpetual Society-proven scripturally-backed time-loop vortex of circular reasoning.