Nitty-Gritty

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  Candace Conti Settles

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  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @Finkelstein However, if there is a known predator in the congregation the parents of all minor children are discreetly informed of who he/she is.

  Page 4 par. 13 of the 2012 letter to the elders

  http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/fcdc/inquiries/57th/Child_Abuse_Inquiry/Submissions/Steven_Unthank_Supp_A_Appendix_1.pdf
  
  

  
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  sir82, you are being illogical. Why would WT insist on the innocence of a convicted criminal? Of course they would not.
  

  Still waiting to see evidence for your assertion that "most of the time" the police are unable to prosecute if there are not 2 eyewitnesses.

  I never said literal eyewitnesses, you implied that. The elders can hold to that Bible principle, they are not the police with other means of investigation. The elders can only go thus far. The rest is up to the police. And yes, if the police find no proof then they can't do anything. Even in the case of Kendrick, where Kendrick confessed, and where the wife and step daughter went to the police, the police didn't do anything. And neither did the child protective services.
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @sir82, no,they don't have to be literal eyewitnesses. If forensic proof was produced by the police, do you think the WT would insist on the accused ones innocence!??
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @Lisarose

  Standing by while an admitted child molester marries a woman with children and threatening the victim's mother for being concerned and warning the woman he married. (Personal kowledge of this on).

  So, this is the only one you have personal knowledge of.
  

  Apart from the two witness rule, How can you be so sure about the others?????
  You just don't know. Just like I don't know what Candace's motives were and why she agreed to a settlement, as sir82 would like to remind me.
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  sir82

  Are you saying that police also rely on a "2 witness rule", instead of, oh, say, rape kits, forensic evidence, criminal records, etc.?

  Yes they are, since those things are considered "witnesses" as in they are additional proof (they don't have to be people). So if the rape kit, forensic evidence, criminal record shows up nothing, guess what, the police can't do a jot!
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @Finkelstein

  So lets get this down on record Nitty Gritty, your in supportive agreement to the way the WTS has been handling acts of pedophilia within their organization ?

  No, I cannot say that. Mistakes have been made. And that not always being the fault of the WT as pedophiles can be very insidious. I used to think that a known pedophile (one who without a shadow of a doubt has been convicted and is considered a predator) should be announced from the platform for all to know. However, even such a vile person can change and publicly announcing him in this way would make anyone accepting a change in him very difficult. Basically this person would become an outcast with no hope. This is not Christian. Plus, if he did change, and moved to another congregation, would it be expected to announce him as a former pedophile? Would that be reasonable and a Christian thing to do?

  A pedophile who is convicted and a recognized predator is disfellowshipped, so announcing him as a pedophile is not needed as all in the congregation will stop associating with him. However, he does have hope, he can change if he wants and be accepted back. But can WT be blamed if he reverts back to his perversities and molests again? Hardly fair to say that.

  However, if there is a known predator in the congregation the parents of all minor children are discreetly informed of who he/she is. That’s better than announcing it from the platform.

  As for the 2 witness rule, obviously and in most cases a molester has no witnesses. But if he denies it, what can the WT do? The parents can go to the police, the police can investigate, but most of the time they come to the same conclusion as the WT, that in this case they can’t really do anything either!
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  Candace Conti Settles

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  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @Iincognito A further question is; why do you continue to defend an organization which clearly shows it has no interest in protecting or at least assisting in the protection of the most vulnerable within the congregation?

  My question is, how exactly has the organization clearly shown no interest in protecting or assisting in the protection of children?
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @sir82 You have no idea what her lawyers advised her. You know nothing about anything about her.

  Funny you posting this on this forum. Isn't this what this forum is all about? Speculation, judging things one has no idea about, twisting truths and implying wrong motives? How does it feel?
  

  Who really knows? Maybe you should tell the others on here to copy that text, and tape it to their foreheads.
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  Candace Conti Settles

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  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @ScenicViewer
  

  But Watchtower claims to be different from "every strata of society." Remember, JWs are "no part of the world," and there is supposed to be a "spiritual paradise" in the organization, a place of "special protection and safety" from the evils of this world, according to Watchtower.

  These child molestation cases are proving that sexual molest of children, which exist in society in general, also exist among Jehovah's Witnesses. This shows that Watchtower is no better than the world it condemns.
  

  There are also adulterers, fornicators, liars and the like in Congregations. But guess what, no one can control what you do, it is up to individuals to apply Bible principles and not do these things. Some lead a double life for a while, before they are found out, but once they are found out to be practicing these things they are disfellowshipped and no longer JWs.
  
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  @ Berrygerry, I am no lawyer, but as I understand it Conti settled for an undisclosed amount She had 30 days to appeal, and she did not. Every new appeal costs money. She was at risk of losing it all, and no doubt this is what her lawyer would have advised her. If she had appealed and lost, she would have ended up in debt!