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What is the holy spirit, jw style compared to other churches??

by quellycatface in

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friends

picking your brains and your opinions here guys.

thank you..

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It's simply God's invisible active force, kinda like wind. No one can see it, and unlike wind, no one can physically feel it. But we're guided by it somehow, except maybe the anointed where they "just know" that they're anointed.

This, of course, is not what the Bible teaches. A few examples:

Acts 8:14-17: When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Sa·mar′i·a had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them; and these went down and prayed for them to get holy spirit. 16 For it had not yet come upon any one of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid their hands on them, and they began to receive holy spirit. (it was apparent to all present)

Acts 8:29: So the spirit said to Philip: “Go over and approach this chariot." (the spirit speaks)

Acts 10:44,45: While Peter was still speaking about these matters, the holy spirit came upon all those hearing the word. And the circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also on people of the nations. (it was apparent to all present)

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The reports of my apostasy have been greatly exaggerated

by sparrowdown in

since finding the meetings too morally repugnant to attend (coupla months now) i have.

been reaquainting myself with the joys of sat morn's at home.. imagine my disappointment to find the group study overseer and his wife pulling up out front.

the thought bubble over my head read "oh poo, poo and double poo!!".

leaving_quietly

This will be my de facto answer going forward to the 'you think too much' statement.

"Apparently, you missed the point of Romans 12:1, 2, Hebrews 5:14 and John 4:1."

Rom 12:1, 2: Therefore, I appeal to you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason. And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Heb 5:14: But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment trained to distinguish both right and wrong.

John 4:1: Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

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ALL JW's to be at the meeting this week...

by Newly Enlightened in

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we asked this person if it could be aqbout the terminology change and they said that was already read last week...... we remember the last time they did this.

got everyone all excited thinking the big "a" was coming and all it was about, was the literature would now be donated instead of charging for it.. .

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Seems like it might be a local thing. Nothing announced here yesterday, and that letter was already read. Keep us updated if you go this week.

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Waiting on Jehovah(TM)

by punkofnice in

i remember my dear old dad (r.i.p) saying that when he had questions he waited on jehovah(tm) and got the answer later.. for the life of me i can't recall this ever happening to me......... honestly, can anyone actually recall a question that the wbt$ jehovah(tm) cleared up for you?.

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I guess the real question is this, for anyone who still believes: why "wait on Jehovah" for an answer if the answer is provided in the Bible in the first place! Doesn't that mean that Jehovah already answered the question? It's more like "wait on WTBTS to catch up with Jehovah".

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March of the world powers in DANIEL 2. Proof the Bible is the inspired word of God. Wadda ya think?

by punkofnice in

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how would you answer the jw that says that the vision of daniel predicting world powers into the future (where the toes have no significance according to the wbt$), is proof of the inspired prophecy in the bible?.

could it be that the 'powers' are not actually named and can be interpreted any way you want?.

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Could it be that the 'powers' are not actually named and can be interpreted any way you want?

Could be. There's quite a bit of scholarly debate (even non-scholarly) about this supposed march of world powers. The only one we know for sure is the head of gold. It is attributed specifically to Nebuchadnezzar. That may or may not mean Babylon as a whole. Daniel specifically said "you yourself are the head of gold" (vs. 38)

After that, it's anyone's guess. But, what is interesting is that there are FOUR kingdoms listed, not five as JWs would have us think. The generally accepted order: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome.

vs. 41 says: "And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided." This is where JWs say that Britain, and by extension, the United States come out of the Roman Empire and thus make up the feet and toes. But, that's not what this verse says. It says "the kingdom." What kingdom? The fourth kingdom.
Then, in verse 44, it says: "In the days of those kings..." What kings? The kings of the fourth kingdom? Or the days of all the kingdoms from Babylon to Rome? Doesn't specify, and doesn't matter. Sometime in there. This is more in line with Christ being given all authority after he was resurrected (Matt 28:18), and Paul referrring to him as king then (1 Tim 6:15: "He is King of those who rule as kings...")

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JW.Org

by Kool Jo in

i've been pondering......with this new "push" to direct individuals to thw jw.org website, even when the dubs are out preaching...what do you think the future will be for the preaching work?.

some time ago i read that the mormons have implemented a live chat feature that allows you to speak with their missionaries....i doubt the borg would do this, but i think they have something up their sleeves.. peace.

kool jo.

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sect

[ sekt ] noun 1. a body of persons adhering to a particular religious faith; a religious denomination. 2. a group regarded as heretical or as deviating from a generally accepted religious tradition. 3. (in the sociology of religion) a Christian denomination characterized by insistence on strict qualifications for membership, as distinguished from the more inclusive groups called churches. 4. any group, party, or faction united by a specific doctrine or under a doctrinal leader. Titus 1:10,11: As for a man who promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition, knowing that such a man has deviated from the way and is sinning and is self-condemned. Just sayin'.

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District Convention in Texas

by lambsbottom in

anyone else know that there is 1 huge dc in houston this year at reliant stadium?.

jws are traveling almost 4 hours or maybe more (havent talked to others up north) to attend the dc.

this is the first year that this has happened, just having 1 convention so far away.. .

leaving_quietly

It's an International Convention. There's a bunch of them in the U.S. this year.

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Lots of campaigns this year

by thedog1 in

lots of leaflet campaigns this year.. 1. leaflet campaign to invite people to the memorial.

2. district convention invitations.. 3. campaign to advertise jw.org in august.. .

doesn't leave much time for conversations..

leaving_quietly

What's even worse is the August campaign is specifically for bringing attention to themselves, advertising JW.org. JW's have gone from "Advertise, advertise, advertise the King and his kingdom!" to "Advertise JW.org!".

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The Lord's Evening Meal - How Often?

by Bobcat in

the 12/15/2013 study wt has the article, "this is to be a memorial for you.

" in it, paragraph 7 (on page 18) makes the statement, ".

27 also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: drink out of it, all of you; 28 for this means my blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.. (note that matthew's rendition leaves out the "keep doing this .

leaving_quietly

Reasoning book, page 265 par. 3:

"Jesus did not specifically state how often the Memorial of his death was to be kept. However, he instituted it on the date of the Jewish Passover, which was replaced among his disciples by the Memorial of Christ’s death. The Passover was an annual event, celebrated on Nisan 14. Similarly, the Jewish Festival of Unfermented Cakes, the Festival of Weeks (Pentecost), the Festival of Booths, or Ingathering, and the Day of Atonement were all held once a year."

As was pointed out in comments already, WT's take on it is just WT's take on it. They're not necessarily wrong or right in when they do it. However, something else Christ said may shed a little light. John 6:48-51 was quoted already. Take a look at this part:

48 “I am the bread of life. 49 Your forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness and yet they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, the bread that I will give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.”

Now, ask: how often did they eat manna?

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No, you're not imagining it. The GB really are their high priests!

by leaving_quietly in

in a talk on the tms this week about abiathar, the brother said pointed out he was a high priest, equivalent to what a governing body member is today!.

so, no, you're not imagining it.

christ is not their high priest.

leaving_quietly

Of course, it seems that is a statement by one man from the platform

Yep, I know this, but it does show the thinking of the R&F, in general, which is what we all intrinsically knew.

Did the School Overseer pick him up on it?

No. The S.O. is a really nice guy, but doesn't think very deeply. I doubt he even caught it.

An elder a few weeks ago commented, when studying the WT about the shepherds (I wrote it down because I was in shock):

"Jehovah is the first shepherd. Jesus is the second shepherd. But they can't do anything without the other shepherds."

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