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Governing Body meetings

by JWOP in

johannes greber's book "communication with the spirit word of god -- it's laws and purpose" states that, in order to seek god's truth one must cummunicate with the spirit world on a regular basis.

according to the governing body, they get their teachings from those who have died and been resurrected to heaven (the watchtower, jan. 1, 2007, p.28, para.11).

also, it was published that the gb meets on a regular basis, every wednesday (the watchtower, may 15, 2008, p.29).

They meet on Wednesdays. What time of day, I do not know. But Wednesdays for sure. That's what was told to use at our elders school a couple of years back and repeated by our C.O., then service overseer.

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Todays wt study, a query, no oxymoron jokes !!!!!!

by jonahstourguide in

i wonder, is this a new doctrine and when did "reason and scripture" take place.. .

page 25 paragraph 10 dec 15 2013 study wt.

10 the bread that the apostles could see and would soon partake of meant jesus body.

leaving_quietly

@Bobcat, yes... I was starting to look for the reference that changed that understanding, but got swept away with absolutely astounding references that said outright that the other sheep are not members of the body of Christ and are not sons of God. This is a topic that they've been resolute on for a very long time and is said quite often in the Watchtower, those in more recent decades it phrases it something along the lines "The limited number of Christians chosen by Jehovah to be associated with Christ in the heavenly Kingdom government undergo “a new birth” as spirit-begotten sons of God." (w12 3/15 p. 21 par 4.) This subtle phrasing makes it easy to miss that not every JW is a son of God or a member of the body of the Christ.

So, their line of reasoning has been all along:

Christ only had the 11 present (they maintain Judas left), thus showing that only those qualified to rule as kings with Christ would be permitted to partake of the emblems. And only those who partake are considered sons of God and members of the body of Christ.

w51 1/15 p. 444-49 has an article that explains the whole Judas thing where they feel that yes, he partook of the Passover meal, but not the Lord's meal. Their reasoning comes down to the fact that Jesus gave Judas the dipped morsel, whereas the loaf that was broken was not dipped.

Personally, I don't think that matters at all. Whether Judas was present or not is immaterial to all those who proclaim to follow Christ, even if they are not of the 144,000. Jesus gave the directive in John 6:53 for everyone to partake, and he said that unless you do, you cannot have life in yourself. He never, ever limited eating to the 144,000. He didn't limit it to the "little flock" either. No such prohibition is place on it anywhere in the scriptures. To say that the "great crowd" cannot partake is putting them in the same class of people as Judas Iscariot.

Sorry, this was off topic. I had to rant a little. Back to our regularly scheduled program...

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Todays wt study, a query, no oxymoron jokes !!!!!!

by jonahstourguide in

i wonder, is this a new doctrine and when did "reason and scripture" take place.. .

page 25 paragraph 10 dec 15 2013 study wt.

10 the bread that the apostles could see and would soon partake of meant jesus body.

leaving_quietly

w54 3/14 p. 174:

It was after the passover supper and after Jesus had dismissed Judas that he “took a loaf and, after saying a blessing, he broke it and, giving it to the disciples, he said: ‘Take, eat. This means my body.’” (Matt. 26:26; John 13:21-30, NW) To which body was Jesus referring here? To his fleshly body? Hardly, for concerning it we read that not a bone was broken, whereas Jesus broke the loaf. (John 19:36) Rather, he was referring to his spiritual body, the Christian congregation, which in the Scriptures is termed a body or Christ’s body more than forty-five times. That this is the correct conclusion is apparent from Paul’s words: “The loaf which we break, is it not a sharing in the body of the Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body, for we are all partaking of that one loaf.” Clearly the loaf pictures not Jesus’ fleshly body but his body members, the Christian congregation.—1 Cor. 10:16, 17, NW.

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Jehovahs witnesses dont have the name of GOD right so how can they be his witnesses

by smiddy in

the tetragrammaton ,does not appear anywhere in the christian greek scriptures see the new world kingdom interlinear translation.

the tetragrammaton translated in english is yhwh ( not jhvh) their is no j in hebrew.. the first edition of the book " aid to bible understanding" admits that the proper pronunciation of gods name is not known.. that they have used the name jehovah because it is the more popular name used in christendoms religions.

and they say christendoms religions are apostates / anti christs /babylon the great , can they have it both ways ?.

leaving_quietly

For me, I personally prefer to call God by the closest understanding of the pronunciation of his name as possible when I'm talking to him. It's as simple as that. If a person who was of Spanish or Mexican descent was named Miguel, which would they prefer to be called? Michael (because it's popular in English) or by their real name, Miguel?

My point in my earlier post was that this particular religion is criticized for using the name JEHOVAH. Their reasoning is, in essence, simply because it's popular in English. Why do they care what popular opinion is on this point? They don't care when it comes to blood transfusions, celebrating holidays, even putting this name in the Greek Scriptures in places even scholars say it shouldn't go. So why go with popular opinion on this?

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Jehovahs witnesses dont have the name of GOD right so how can they be his witnesses

by smiddy in

the tetragrammaton ,does not appear anywhere in the christian greek scriptures see the new world kingdom interlinear translation.

the tetragrammaton translated in english is yhwh ( not jhvh) their is no j in hebrew.. the first edition of the book " aid to bible understanding" admits that the proper pronunciation of gods name is not known.. that they have used the name jehovah because it is the more popular name used in christendoms religions.

and they say christendoms religions are apostates / anti christs /babylon the great , can they have it both ways ?.

leaving_quietly

@designs, when praying, yes, I do, or I simply say "Father", as Christ instructed at Matt 6:9.

The appendix in the NWT states (as to their argument as to why they use JEHOVAH):

In 1930 scholar A. F. Kirkpatrick made a similar point regarding the use of the form “Jehovah.” He said: “Modern grammarians argue that it ought to be read Yahveh or Yahaveh; but JEHOVAH seems firmly rooted in the English language, and the really important point is not the exact pronunciation, but the recognition that it is a Proper Name, not merely an appellative title like ‘Lord.’”

I personally use Yahveh. It's probably spelled Jahveh as the "J" was used in older english, but had a "Y" sound, but phonetically, it's spelled Yahveh. Some who say Yahweh forget that the "w" is pronounced with a "v" sound. So, I'm spelling it out phonetically.

Here's an interesting link on the topic:

http://hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/YHVH/yhvh.html

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Appointed men & the 10 hour rule

by PlatinumFix in

dear all,.

could someone explain where it is written that mservants should be doing the congregation average/10 hours minimum?.

platinumfix.

leaving_quietly

This was pointed out during the week-long elders school a couple years back. This rule does not exist. To emphasize this, they stopped printing the average hours in the Kingdom Ministry. So, anyone using this rule should stop. As we all know, though, old habits take a long time to die out. Ten hours was certainly a recommended goal in times past. That's in print in several places. In fact, at one time, it was a requirement to have at least a 10-hour average and 6 back-call average for the previous six months and at least one bible study to be appointed a regular pioneer.

km 2/71 p. 3:

The “Lamp” book (pp. 194-200), of course, outlines the basic requirements that must be met by regular and vacation pioneers. But for the benefit of some of you new ones who have only recently started associating with us, let’s review briefly some of these points. First of all, before you can enroll as a regular pioneer you must have been baptized for at least six months, and during the past six months you must have been a regular publisher reporting at least ten hours and six back-calls on the average each month. You must currently be conducting at least one home Bible study. It is obvious, too, that your conduct must recommend you as a fine Christian in the community.

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When The Ties Get Cut ...this is what I'll do..

by clarity in

jw
friends

date.

directed to the self appointed leaders of jehovah's witnesses.. .

1. my baptism vows were made to the father, the son, the holy spirit.. 2. i was deceived into believing your doctrine was truth.. *.

leaving_quietly

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Jehovahs witnesses dont have the name of GOD right so how can they be his witnesses

by smiddy in

the tetragrammaton ,does not appear anywhere in the christian greek scriptures see the new world kingdom interlinear translation.

the tetragrammaton translated in english is yhwh ( not jhvh) their is no j in hebrew.. the first edition of the book " aid to bible understanding" admits that the proper pronunciation of gods name is not known.. that they have used the name jehovah because it is the more popular name used in christendoms religions.

and they say christendoms religions are apostates / anti christs /babylon the great , can they have it both ways ?.

leaving_quietly

Many people use the name Jehovah. It is widely acknowledged that is is the acceptable form of God's name in the English language. However, even they, IN THEIR OWN BIBLE, acknowledge that it is NOT the proper pronunciation of God's name. So, they knowingly use an incorrect pronunciation. The main issue here is that they claim to have and uphold the truth in all things, thus:

1. They make a HUGE deal of restoring God's name in the Bible, then REFUSE to use the PROPER one

2. They make a HUGE deal of making God's name known in their ministry, then REFUSE to use the PROPER one

3. They make a HUGE deal of saying they, and only they, are the true religion and God's mouthpiece, but then refuse to use his PROPER hame

4. And this one gets me the most... The ones who push JEHOVAH forward in their literature claim to be of the 144,000. Revelation 14:1 says: Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
How can they have his name written on their foreheads and REFUSE TO USE IT?????

They make the argument that if we use that name, then we should use the Hebrew names of Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc. This is a weak argument. First, those people are NOT the sovereign of the universe. Second, nowhere do these people say that their names are at all important. But, God does, and so did his Son.

Off my soapbox now...

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