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  Many christian faiths have an EARTHLY resurrection belief.....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was surprised to learn many other mainstream christian religions believe in a physical earthly resurrection.

  even catholics.

  it seems the belief is that as of now one goes to heaven to wait, then in the future will have an earthly resurrection.

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  OFF TOPIC...
  

  @Crazyguy, thanks for that link. Don't know who the author(s) are of the site, but they are very careful not to name names / religions. The style strikes me as an ex-(name your favorite religion here). I would almost say ex-JW because of the litany of topics that are typically unique to JWs, and the author(s) target certain practices of JWs (e.g. "Today, all religions claim that their teachings are the truth. Why, some of them even dare to refer to themselves as 'the Truth.'")

  BACK TO THE TOPIC...

  It's interesting to see what other religions believe on about this. The Bible doesn't outrightly say whether the resurrection is bodily or in spirit, though it alludes to it in a few places: Matt 22:29, Mark 12:26, 1 Cor 15:42-44 (the latter is strong allusion to a spiritual resurrection). Does that mean heavenly life indefinitely? The indication is no. We're all familiar with Rev 21:3,4, which JWs use so often. However, these verses are preceded by what's written in Rev 21:1,2, where it describes New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven.

  My take on it, for what it's worth, is that the first resurrection is to heavenly life for the duration of 1000 years, then back to earth. The second / general resurrection is likely earthly and occurs after the thousand years. That seems to match the timing in Revelation 20.
  
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  Questions for those that believe in Electricity

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. friends

  you can't see electricity or hear it or feel it.

  well, there are sparks and lightning bolts and heating elements and the light and heat of filaments.

  and somehow, it lights up neon in a tube.

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  leaving_quietly

  Oh, come on now... electricity is a farce. There's more evidence for God's Kingdom being established in 1914 than for electricity (so says Stephen Lett).
  
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  Elders want to meet with us, help!

  by All for show in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my husband is awake,yay!

  we haven't been to meeting since february, although we attended the memorial.

  when jws have called us we say we are amazing, everything is awesome much to their shock.

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  I haven't read through all the comments on this topic, but this stood out to me:
  

  Basically alluding we are TALKING AGAINST the GB from the Feb broadcast against college...

  I find it amazing that Christ said it would be forgiven if someone spoke against the Son (Matt 12:31), but speaking against the GB is wrong? That puts them in the same position as the Holy Spirit, doesn't it?
  
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  JW Broadcasting Monthly Programs

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atlantis posted a new boe letter on this thread: new!-2015 april 10, boe!

  here's an excerpt from that letter:.

  to all congregations re: jw broadcasting monthly programs .

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  leaving_quietly

  There's no "contact us" section on the web site to give any feedback. I wonder just where said feedback is coming from.
  
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  David Schafer's Mistake

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks cappytan for posting the thread "jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted".

  it's a sad example of how low in simple reading skills the present gb and their helpers are.

  david schafer referred to philippians 4:7 on jw broadcasting.

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  Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted

  Pride is before a crash, And a haughty spirit before stumbling. - Prov 16:18
  

  So let the one who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall. - 1 Cor 10:12

  For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. - Matt 16:27

  So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God. - Rom 16:12
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  The multitude that no man can number

  by SonoftheTrinity in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how can protection from destruction at armageddon be solely with the jehovah's witnesses when the great multitude is one that no man could number while the jehovah's witnesses put great effort into cooking statistics of how many jws there are worldwide?

  the unscriptural scare tactics they use are blatantly insulting to anyone who can read a bible.

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  I justified it by including in the "great crowd" the unrighteous that would be resurrected, but I'm not sure if that has any basis in the bible or JW doctrine.

  Not possible.

  In response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. - Rev 7:13,14

  The resurrected ones don't appear until after Armageddon.

  Not if the gathering is before the resurrection

  Correct.
  
  
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  "Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted..."

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgds4z-h2i.

  transcript below (with key points of interest bolded):.

  please open your bibles to phil.

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  A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough. - Gal 5:9

  In context, this was regarding teachings (specifically circumcision) that were not in line with what Christ taught. Here's the context:
  

  For such freedom Christ set us free. Therefore, stand firm, and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery.
  2 See! I, Paul, am telling you that if you become circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 Again I bear witness to every man who gets circumcised that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be declared righteous by means of law; you have fallen away from his undeserved kindness. 5 For our part, we are by spirit eagerly waiting for the hoped-for righteousness resulting from faith. 6 For in union with Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any value, but faith operating through love is.
  7 You were running well. Who hindered you from continuing to obey the truth? 8 This sort of persuasion does not come from the One calling you. 9 A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough. 10 I am confident that you who are in union with the Lord will not come to think otherwise; but the one who is causing you trouble, whoever he may be, will receive the judgment he deserves.
  

  My point here is that the statement, "Jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted" is actually in error. A little leaven (a little bit of false teaching, a little bit of hypocrisy, a little bit of lording it over, etc.) CAN corrupt the entire batch.
  
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  Elders' Authority - Flock Book

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the biggest surprise in the flock book was the hiding-for 3-years serious sin absolution provision for elders (if with "jehovah's evident blessing").. the second is the remark regarding an inactive person, and the situation:.

  "is the person willing to meet with a committee, thus admitting accountability to the christian congregation?".

  now, the bible says: i want you to know that the head of every man is the christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the christ is god.

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  From the Flock book. Bold and italics theirs.

  19. If it comes to light or an appointed
  brother confesses that he has committed a dis-
  fellowshipping offense years in the past: The
  body of elders may determine he can continue to
  serve if the following is true: The immorality or other
  serious wrongdoing occurred more than a few years
  ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that
  he should have come forward immediately when he
  sinned. (Perhaps he has even confessed to his sin,
  seeking help with his guilty conscience.) He has been
  serving faithfully for many years, has evidence of
  God’s blessing, and has the respect of the congrega-
  tion.
  
  20. If the sin occurred before he was appointed as
  an elder or a ministerial servant, the elders will need
  to take into consideration the fact that he should
  have mentioned this possible impediment to his be-
  ing qualified when elders interviewed him just prior
  to announcing his appointment. Moreover, the na-
  ture of the sin may reflect greatly on his qualifica-
  tions to serve. For example, the sin may involve past
  child abuse, and this would likely disqualify him for
  many years.—w97 1/1 pp. 26-29; w77 pp. 697-698.
  
  21. If the wrongdoing occurred within the past few
  years while he was serving as an elder or a ministerial
  servant, he is disqualified from serving as such, not
  being “free from accusation.” (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:
  6, 7) Depending on the circumstances, the situation
  may also need to be handled by a judicial committee.
  —See 5:43-44.
  
  
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  Phone call from a brother last night

  by label licker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the brother and his wife thought the statement at the end of this month's broad cast show was a little off.

  the org stated that jehovah's organisation can not be corrupted.

  (needless to say only three had shown up for the broadcast meeting at the hall) he's never heard that before so we filled him in as to what the org has been up to and gave him jwnet, jw facts as well as jw survey to look at.

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  We might not understand everything the FDS puts out but we will listen, obey and follow them since god is unsearchable and can not be found.

  Did they actually say that?

  The Bible NEVER says that God is unsearchable. His judgements are. (Rom 11:33) His understanding is. (Isa 40:28) His greatness is. (Ps 145:3) Things he does are. (Job 5:9; Job 9:10)

  And, God will let himself be found. (1 Chron 28:8; 2 Chron 15:2,3,15) And the Bible tells us to search for God. (Isa 55:6)

  I will have to watch the video for myself to see if they actually said that.

  Many congs make the monthly broadcast available for those without computers. It's typical nowadays. Yep, another meeting to go to.
  
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  Aid to bible understanding in PDF format

  by Aerodynamic in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone have a pdf copy of the book "aid for bible understanding".

  i would like to get a copy for some personal research i have engaged in.

  i have the "insight books" online but that's not what i want to use.

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  Be careful with the online Insight book. The organization is quietly making changes to it. The article regarding the "Faithful and Discreet Slave", for example, has several changes to support the adjustments made in the 7/15/2013 WT.