it looks like i'm going to have to take the watchtower study for a while so i thought i'd seek help.. i wont be outing myself or stating anything too controversial, but so far i have come up with the following tactics : 1) ask questions which will get people thinking even if it is about something insignificant - developing a questioning mind is the key to discovering ttat as far as i am concerned.
2) highlight any extreme points so that some might realise they are extreme.
3) highlight any good points - helping others in need for example - just because it is the right thing to do.. if anyone has any general comments which could help, please post them here.
If you have to do this, and you want to get them thinking just a little, take note of any secular quotes, and ask: "Did anyone do any personal research on where this quote was from?"
Or if the quotes have the ellipsis in them, you can ask, "Did anyone look up the full quote by this (scientist, physician, whatever.)?"
the issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.
it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?
the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.
'well, when was the last time a president of the united states had a beard?'
An entire culture is based on one person? Hmm.
Interesting read... http://uspolitics.about.com/od/biographies/a/Why-Arent-There-Many-Bearded-Politicians.htm
P.S. Oliver Queen, a.k.a. The Green Arrow, just became stand-in Mayor of Star City on the TV Show, Arrow. Wears a beard. This IS cultural norm these days in the U.S.
I would not at all be surprised if this paragraph stirs up a wave of beard-wearing JWs, each interpreting cultural norms their own way.
the issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.
it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?
the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.
The Mosaic Law required couples to maintain chastity until marriage.
Of course, I realize this is satire, but fun fact... the Mosaic Law said very little about two unmarried people having sexual relations who were not of the same family. It had a whole lot to say about incestual relations, but regarding people not married and not related to each other, it's pretty silent. The two exceptions I've found are: don't have sex with a menstruating woman (Lev 18:19), and don't have sex with another man's wife. (Lev 18:22)
Take a look at Leviticus 18 where it describes such things.
according to the watchtower society, which event marked the start of the "70 years".
on which day and month did that event occur?.
Ha! I was after the other 70 years.
I think you found the answer. October 1, 607 B.C.E. Repeatedly stated, including Insight vol. 1 p. 463: "Hence the count of the 70 years of desolation must have begun about October 1, 607 B.C.E., ending in 537 B.C.E."
according to the watchtower society, which event marked the start of the "70 years".
on which day and month did that event occur?.
The 4th of Ab, 455 B.C.E.
Interestingly, earlier in this same Insight volume, it mentions that the 20th year may not have started until Tishri (September/October) by Nehemiah's reckoning:
The month of Chislev (November-December) of a certain 20th year is the reference point with which the historical narrative begins. (Ne 1:1) As is evident from Nehemiah 2:1, this 20th year must be that of Artaxerxes’ reign. Obviously, the 20th year in this case is not reckoned as starting in Nisan (March-April), for Chislev of the 20th year could not then precede Nisan (mentioned at Ne 2:1) of the same 20th year. So it may be that Nehemiah used his own count of time, reckoning the lunar year as beginning with Tishri (September-October), which month Jews today recognize as the beginning of their civil year. Another possibility is that the reign of the king was reckoned from the actual date that the monarch ascended the throne. This could be so even though the Babylonian scribes continued to reckon the years of the Persian king’s reign on their customary basis of a Nisan-to-Nisan count, as their cuneiform tablets show they did. it-2 p. 487-488
But, to answer your question, Ab 4, 455 B.C.E.
we have a bethel speaker on the english side.
they're pretty regular up here since it's only three and a half hours drive from nyc.. but this is a special kind of visit.. it turns out he's involved in doing a special research project and the christian congregation of jw's wants to know us better.. in order for the broadcasting to address issues more meaningful for families, they want to know the demographic make up of the congregations.. he spoke with the secretary about young single publishers and couples 20-35 y.o.
how are they employed.
A Witness soap opera.
You may be onto something there. Or at least some sort of episodic program with an ongoing storyline.
todays daily text refers to a new?
explanation for doorkeepers that "death will be no more" would only refer to an earthly blessing, because it would be logically according to the text that in heaven no one ever died or death had never been there.
seems like wishful argument for the earthly paradise.. dont forget the 144000 members of the heavenly class that will receive heavenly blessing after death and used for decades rev.
Logically, then, Revelation 21:4 must be referring to future blessings here on earth.
Well, duh... Revelation 21:2 says that, Sherlock! "I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
in an effort to excuse yourself from elder persecution, you present an argument.
whether at a jc or just in an average elder shepherding call.
most people who have confronted a jc, have tried to explain to the elders about what they know of the org but the incriminating questions always come up.. when confronted with the question, do you still believe the gb is the f&ds?
do you still believe the GB is the F&DS ?
How can I? Even THEY didn't believe it until 2012 when they announced it at the Annual Meeting. I mean, come on! Over 90 years and they didn't know they were the F&DS?!?!?!
if you have the jw app running on your tablet, watch the latest (may) governing broadcast and hear tony the jackass, and when you get to 7 minutes and 44 seconds ...hit the pause button.. read the words at the bottom of the screen as per the jw app close captioning.. "well beyond the intent of the scriptures" .
he is describing the governing body past, like the ghost of christmas past.
yes, the governing body past were a bunch of freaking yahoo's violating 1 cor.
In context, he was talking about the early 1900s. He says: "In the early 1900s, the focus was on preaching the good news. Little attention was given to building strong Christian marriages and families. For a time, marriage was even discouraged, well beyond the intent of the scriptures."
my eyes for ttatt opened in 1995 with the generation change and the wt magazine stated "some witness thought that the generation started in 1914".
since 1997, with internet at low speed, i followed h2o hourglass, www.xjw.com and later on www.jehovahs-witness.net.. did a bachelor and post bachelor since then.. now, nearly completed with fading, i feel it's time to go on with my life and do some other things, spending more time with my wife abd children instead of thinking about jw topics in my head.
goal is being a better person and less grumpy at 45.... everything what could be said is already said.
