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  Is there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?

  by Conias in

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  is there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?.

  in the event that one of the spouses is being psychologically mistreated in a very serious manner where his health is severely damaged and even his own life is in danger.

  is there a biblical basis for jehovah's witnesses for separation or divorce?.

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  leaving_quietly

  The key words in the OP are "biblical basis". This is a hot button topic for me. It's what started me down the path to awakening. Answer: Yes. Jesus' words have already been quoted. But also see 1 Cor 7:10-17.

  Now, something I recently caught in Jesus words:

  “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

  Why did Jesus put the blame on Moses? The was part of the Law that GOD gave Moses. I have not researched this, yet, but it seems to me something is amiss here.
  
  
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  GB "... it can make mistakes when explaining the Bible ..." Simplified version WT Feb 2017

  by freddo in

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  study article: who is leading god's people today?

  start of paragraph 12.. standard version: "the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

  therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.".

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  leaving_quietly

  I'm just gonna leave this here (emphasis mine).
  

  Still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them. - w14 7/15 p14 par. 10

  
  I tell you that men will render an account on Judgment Day for every unprofitable saying that they speak; for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned. - Matt 12:36,37
  
  
  
  
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  The increasing WT magazine

  by darkspilver in

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  apart from the interesting block color change for the title strip on the front page.... the new 2017 wt mag has some new (updated printing figures):.

  2016: produced each issue: 58,987,000 available in 282 languages .

  2017: produced each issue: 61,651,000 available in 294 languages.

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  2017: Produced Each Issue: 61,651,000

  That means every JW -- all 8 million -- are each receiving 8 issues of the Ragazine for placement? NFW! There are not that many laundromats! . . . . Doc

  That's actually an interesting observation. 8 magazines per person per month. Let's say all 8 were for placements since personal copies are accessed by devices. Not always... there's a percentage of these that are for personal, but let's say these not were for personal use. Given field service weekly is 4 times per month, that would mean only 2 placements per Saturday field service for an average publisher. This is kind of underwhelming. It's interesting to see this when doing the math.

  
  
  
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  Moving to Warwick Video incl. Morning Worship

  by Listener in

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  a new video is up about the commencement of moving to warwick.shawn bartlett tells the viewers that jehovah has said, through the governing body, ‘it’s time to move out of brooklyn.

  ‘ then helper robert lucciona says ‘ the governing body, these brothers, as soon as they see god’s direction, they just move, it doesn’t matter if it is long held, cherished ideas, this is the way it has to be done, as soon as they see jehovahs direction.

  he just kept nudging imperfect humans, he knew where he wanted us and then we end up where we are supposed to be.

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  leaving_quietly

  I continue to be amazed at how they keep saying "Jehovah is running this organization". In this video, Jesus is relegated to the role of a "teacher".

  Matt 28:18 - Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
  

  Eph 1:22 - He [God] also subjected all things under his [Jesus'] feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation,
  
  That said, the new property does look very nice and there's no doubt much hard work went into this.

  
  
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  Mouthy has Passed Away

  by Simon in

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  update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.

  i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.

  - may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.

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  leaving_quietly

  Oh, dear. Sad to hear this. Was wondering the other day how she was doing. My condolences to the family.
  
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  JW and the Sabbath

  by Andromeda in

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  hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

  i am an active jehovah's witness.

  i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

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  What, exactly, does it mean to "observe the Sabbath"? I have a post on another forum with essentially this same question.

  I get that the Sabbath means no work. Great. A mandatory day of rest. Okay, then, what does it mean to "rest"?

  Isa 58:13 says you can't pursue your own interests on the Sabbath (which, BTW, was the first mention of that rule in the Bible.)

  So, if you can't work and you can't pursue your own interests (which I would equate to doing stuff like reading, hiking, learning a musical instrument, playing video games, watching a movie, even studying the Bible to enrich your understanding) then exactly what is one supposed to do on the Sabbath? This is what I don't get.
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  Audiobible NWT

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  i took a look a the org video about the new audiobible and the production process.. most disturbing for me is that the voice of bro.

  jackson seems to be always the voice of jesus throughout the bible.

  he was the gb member who made the appearance in the australian child abuse commission.. i dont like his voice as jesus and will never listen to the audio bible therefore.. what me wonders much is, how much work those sis and bros do to identify similar speakers in the four gospels so that always the same speaker speaks and how they handle that.. to cover the whole bibel 1000 speakers have been identified and will be trained in reading correctly.. some questions are if the bible says that jehovah speaks, did he really speak himself or something else or if a passage says that the apostel said something, who of the apostels was it actually?.

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  This kind of multiple-speaker audio bible is something new.

  Maybe they got the idea from here:

  http://www.thewordofpromise.com/
  
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  Keep the meeting going! (even if somebody's dying)

  by TimeBandit in

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  this is a true story.

  it's about a sister named henriette venema.

  she was a very loyal jw.

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  I've witnessed this twice in my life... no death, fortunately, but ambulance called, older ones taken out, meeting continued even while paramedics were doing their thing. The most recent one was within the past year. I was appalled, especially being awake.

  I would be appalled if family members stayed at the meeting and did not go to the hospital.

  The last time this happened, only one family member went to the hospital. The rest stayed. Double face-palm!!!!
  
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  Why are anniversaries allowed but not birthdays?

  by hyperpen in

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  the scripture quotes aside, i was always told that we don't celebrate birthdays because that is a celebration of the self, which has no place in jehovah's organization.

  then why celebrate anniversaries?

  anniversary celebrations are about the joining of two selves, isn't that twice as selfish?.

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  leaving_quietly

  Simple. Have you ever read about someone being beheaded on their anniversary? I rest my case.

  Heh... This reasoning from WT is ridiculous. In the first account, the chief baker and cupbearer were IN PRISON with Joseph because they "sinned against their lord, the king of Egypt." (Gen 40:1). On Pharaoh's birthday, the cupbearer resumed his duties and the baker was killed. Why? Apparently, Pharaoh carried out capital punishment. The baker did SOMETHING to warrant being put to death. Maybe during their time in prison, it was discovered that the cupbearer was not at fault, so was exhonerated, while the baker had to bear the punishment of death.

  In the case of John the Baptist, Herod's birthday was simply "a convenient day" for his wife to carry out her nefarious plans. (Mark 6:21)
  

  Interestingly in the case of Pharaoh's birthday, both the baker and the cupbearer had dreams three days prior that Joseph interpreted accurately. Where did those dreams come from? Where did the interpretation come from? Did God care that it was Pharaoh's birthday, or did God use that fact to attempt to assist Joseph?
  
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  Why are anniversaries allowed but not birthdays?

  by hyperpen in

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  2. beliefs

  the scripture quotes aside, i was always told that we don't celebrate birthdays because that is a celebration of the self, which has no place in jehovah's organization.

  then why celebrate anniversaries?

  anniversary celebrations are about the joining of two selves, isn't that twice as selfish?.

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  ""There are but two such celebrations mentioned in the Scriptures, one of the heathen king Pharaoh of Egypt, in the days of Joseph, and the other of [Herod,] whose birthday cost John the Baptist his life. In the Bible there is no instance of celebrations of birthdays by any of God’s people."—The Golden Age, May 6, 1936, page 499." God's Kingdom Rules! (2014) p.105

  WBTS logic:

  Birthdays = bad because the Bible shows them in a negative light

  Bethel = good even though the Bible shows it in a negative light (1 Kings 13:32; 2 Kings 10:29; 2 Kings 23:19; Jer 48:13; Hosea 10:15; Amos 3:14; Amos 4:4; Amos 5:5,6)