Not only did he say 'no one knows', he also said "It does not belong to you to know..." (Acts 1:7)
leaving_quietly
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very well said!
by alwaysthinking insome dates are important to set, like weddings, retirement parties, and vacations, but not the date of the return of jesus.
jesus said that "no one knows.
" i've never really understood why something so direct and so simple could be so abused.. quoted from http://god-and-logic.blogspot.co.nz/2011/05/where-is-promise-of-his-coming.html.
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My Open Letter to the WTS
by braincleaned intoday, i was pissed.
so i wrote an official open letter to the borg.
i'm posting it everywhere i can.. .
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leaving_quietly
BTW, it was the July 2013 WT, not 2012.
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Does No Solicitation equal Put on "Do not Call List"?
by ABibleStudent ini live in a townhome complex.
a few days ago i asked the property manager to ask the local kingdom hall to no longer place wtbts literature (propaganda) at the complex because the area is posted as no solicitation and because the literature is sometimes blown away from doors becoming litter.. today i received a response that the kingdom hall agreed to no longer place literature at the complex and to let him know if wtbts literature is placed at the complex.
i was shocked how easy it was for the kh representative to agree to no longer place literature at the complex.
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leaving_quietly
Legally, no. Here's the deal:
If a complex / community posts a "No Tresspassing" sign, it really means nothing. It's just there to scare people away. If an individual home within that community posts a "No Tresspassing" sign on their own home, JWs should not knock on that door.
If a complex / community posts a "No Soliciting" sign, it means nothing for JWs since they are not soliciting (normally... I'll get to that in a minute). Same goes with an individual home. From a legal perspective, "no soliciting" does not apply to preaching religion.
However, when JWs have campaigns where they are going around canvasing, they may very well fall into the "soliciting" category. Just going around and leaving those invitations / tracts is NOT preaching, and there could be a good case in court to make that activity fall under local canvasing / soliciting ordinances. This has not, to my knowledge, ever been challenged. And, this has not been specifically addressed by WTBTS. The last letter regarding all this came out to the BOEs prior to all the campaigns JWs have been having.
Back to your situation: If someone in your community tells JWs to not be there, they will go away until another time. If you manager tells JWs to not be there, JWs are supposed to get their information, (name, community name, address), give it to the Service Overseer. The Service Overseer / Secretary is supposed to write a letter to the Legal Dept. The Legal Dept. will come back with a letter telling them not to work that community for a period of one year. (I guess is that they home the manager changes or forgets what they told them to begin with.)
Another thing you can do is have your manager write a letter to the local KH or even to the branch requesting that they not have JWs visit the community.
The problem in a community is that you personally cannot speak for everyone in your community. But, your manager DOES have the power to ask them to leave and not come back, and the JWs are supposed to follow protocol. It's important that your manager identifies him/herself as the manager, not just a homeowner.
Another thing that might work is putting up a sign that says: "No Soliciting. No Tresspassing. That includes religious groups." This may very well dissuade JWs from entering the complex / community.
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JW presence
by Laika inthe underground station i live next to in london is usually relatively quiet, however it is also the local station closest to the wimbledon tennis courts, so for about 2 weeks a year it really comes to life, starting today.
(yay wimbledon!
i saw no jws last year, but they seemed to have cottoned on to this opportunity and were out in force today.
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leaving_quietly
There's a reason it's called "Metropolitan Witnessing". The goal is to reach people they could not normally reach, and where people are. The weird thing about it is that only "qualified publishers" can participate. These are usually regular pioneers or elders. The rest of the JW publishers should count their blessings they aren't so "qualified".
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Two well dressed young men came knocking
by Hairtrigger inhere's my experience in the last 15 minutes.
it's about 6 p.m and i'm home alone watching tv when someone knocks loudly on the door.
i open and there, like an apparation, stand two of j smith's disciples -smart looking , well dressed ( they used to wear black ties only a few years ago) clean cut.. i inform them that i'm an ex-j witness and they are quiet for a moment.
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leaving_quietly
Wait... Mormons are actually preaching DOOR TO DOOR? JWs want us all to believe this isn't the case anymore. Hahahaha!
Actually, we have tons of Mormons preaching in our area, both men and women. Men travel in twos with white shirts and black pants. The women have dresses on. You'd be hard pressed to tell a Mormon woman apart from a JW woman, except the Mormon women go to doors in threes . . . at least they ones I've seen on my street do.
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"New Light" discretely slipped in on the 2014 regional convention: Paradise in heaven.
by EdenOne in2014 regional convention:.
on friday, on the last speech of the morning, (the "key speech"), a bethel member slipped in some "new light" rather casually, without much fuss.
he mentioned the out-of-body experience of the apostle paul, in 2 corinthians 12:2-4, where he experienced being "caught up to the third heaven ... caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible words...".
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leaving_quietly
Rev 2:7 has been understood to be paradise in heaven.
*** w09 1/15 p. 31 par. 1 Highlights From the Book of Revelation—I ***
2:7—What is “the paradise of God”? Since these words are addressed to anointed Christians, the paradise here must refer to the paradisaic heavenly realm—the very presence of God himself. The faithful anointed will be rewarded with eating “of the tree of life.” They will receive immortality.—1 Cor. 15:53.2 Cor 12:4 has been understood (at least 1952-2014) to be spiritual paradise condition that exists among God's people
Luke 23:43 has been understood to be earthly
These are the only three of four mentions of paradise in the Bible that we can look at. The fourth is in Song of Solomon and is used in a sensual sense.
That 2 Cor 12:4 has changed to mean three paradises is quite silly. Paul said the man was in the third heaven not the third paradise.
In context, the three above mentioned verses with the word "paradise" all talk about a heavenly paradise.
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How Would Your Being Disfellowshipped Affect You?
by minimus inwould you care?.
would there be any repercussions?.
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leaving_quietly
Oh, @RagingBull? Do tell! You have a plan?
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How Would Your Being Disfellowshipped Affect You?
by minimus inwould you care?.
would there be any repercussions?.
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leaving_quietly
I worry more how my disfellowshipping would effect my love ones.
This is how I feel, too. I'd lose contact with family, and friends. But I don't have a lot of JW friends anyway. I KNOW a lot of JWs, but that doesn't mean we're friends. No one calls me unless they want something, so it's no great loss there with a handful of exceptions. However, I do worry about the effect on my family. I think it would be like losing someone in death to them.
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When I decided to no longer turn in time...
by SG098 inbeing my 1st post i figured i should relate a personal experience.
a few months ago i decided to stop reporting time.
i'm mentally out of this cult now but still trapped because of family.
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leaving_quietly
Oh, and welcome to the board!
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When I decided to no longer turn in time...
by SG098 inbeing my 1st post i figured i should relate a personal experience.
a few months ago i decided to stop reporting time.
i'm mentally out of this cult now but still trapped because of family.
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leaving_quietly
Real-time reactions....
What does the widow's mite have to do with turning in field service time????
Consequences???!?!!?
No one sees my report except the elders, so how in the world would the congregation be affected if I don't turn mine in?
Stuck on the two coins, huh?
Why does the faithful slave accept 15 minutes? That's the crux of the matter, right? Who is accepting the "time"?
Oh, wow... they pulled the main apostate question out only 10 minutes in. Wow.
Twisting the "mother" and "father" stuff. Ugh.
"Loyalty to Jehovah's organization." Yup. It's all about that.
"Increase your service, you increase your joy." Hmm.
"He [Jehovah] needs your time."
"How are you going to have faith in Jesus if you aren't doing what his brothers ask you to do?... They get their direction from Jehovah and Jesus." Really? Flip-flopping doctrines?
"It's not a measure of who's doing what. If that's the case we'd have publisher-of-the-month. We would announce this stuff." Ummm... can anyone say: Pioneer? or Auxiliary Pioneer? And we DO announce them!!!!
"It gives us a feel for how you're doing, where your heart is, where your struggles are."
Elder 2: "You're a family member... you can't get rid of those." Elder 1: "I'll beat my dad in the head." (What was THAT comment about???)
"Be careful how you feel... we don't have to feel." Huh?
Pornography is normal, but turning in time is not? Turning in time is worse than pornography??!?!?!? What???
Apostates = "modern thinkers" Funny!
Wow, the double-speak is incredible. You're not out of line for thinking it, but you are for acting on it.
"We shouldn't think." Hahahahaha!!!!
99% of it is right? What about that illustration of one drop of poison in a glass of water?
I noted not a single scripture was read when "counseling" you. Of course, you noted that, too.