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  Beroean Pickets

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
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  hi i've been reading a web sight called borean pickets.

  http://meletivivlon.com/2015/05/09/may-tv-broadcast-on-tv-jw-org/.

  although the guy writes some real thought provoking stuff, i sort of don't know what to make of it.

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  leaving_quietly

  I would say neutral... the goal is to have an open discussion about various bible topics, to see what others have found on such topics, regardless of what WT says. The rules are pretty clear when signing up, including no flaming, no vitriol, no attacking other forum members. Just open discussion / debate. It's neither pro or against WT, though I would say many there are against, but largely from a doctrinal viewpoint. They leave stuff like child abuse issues to other forums as those sorts of things bring up strong emotions.

  I have found the site to be useful. Many times, something is stated in a WT article, and that becomes a topic for open discussion.
  
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  "New" publications

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  looks like two "new" publications are available on their website.

  i put "new" in quotation marks because these appear to simply be the introduction in their rnwt in one and the appendices, maps, charts, etc.

  publications named "an introduction to god's word" and "a study guide for god's word".

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  Looks like two "new" publications are available on their website. I put "new" in quotation marks because these appear to simply be the introduction in their RNWT in one and the appendices, maps, charts, etc. in the other.

  Publications named "An Introduction to God's Word" and "A Study Guide For God's Word". The "Study Guide" even has the page numbers starting at 1718, where appendix A1 starts is in the RNWT.
  

  Found in the books section of the website. Not creating a link here.
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  Why doe New light tick me off???? Next 2 weeks WT Studies

  by zophar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you have been a jw for 20+ years you may remember that the wt went into great detail on different illustrations that jesus used and the "type/anti-type" ridiculous explanations.

  remember the revelation book and how those obscure jw conventions of the past pictured big things in heaven and the opening of seals?

  anyway, the wt lessons for the next two weeks do two big things for me.

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  Anyone brave enough to make that comment during the WT study on par 9? Something like what the OP said?

  "Even though we were wrong in our understanding, they did build our faith"

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  "Even though our understanding wasn't true..."

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  "Our spirit-directed organization taught us something through the years that has turned out to be incorrect. However, our faith is strengthened by the fact that NOW, we are being taught the truth about these parables."

  These lessons are going to really make me angry at the KH. I am going to have a very, very, very hard time keeping my facial expressions in check.

  This March 2015 WT is a real doozy. I'm still baffled as to their approach in actually reminding everyone what they used to teach.
  
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  May 2015 JW Broadcast, "The Watchtower Has The Most Multilingual Speakers in the World? True or False?

  by RoyalFlushPhil in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stephen lett about 33 minutes in to may's "liar liar" episode of the monthly worship broadcast said "jehovah's witnesses have the most multilingual speakers of any organization in the world!".

  the catholic church has the most people i thought, do you think he's telling the truth and where is he getting these facts?

  i finally broke down and decided to watch this in order to work on my reverse witnessing skills, lots of ammunition for anyone needing fuel to extinguish their dirty flames of lies!.

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  There's no way to know, as OTWO, stated whether Lett's statement is true. I took it as 'JWs have the most number of people who can speak multiple languages in a single organization.' Hard to say whether that's true or not. There's global corporations that undoubtedly have many multilingual speakers. I love hearing these unverifiable claims.

  @sparrowdown, funny!
  
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  July Kingdom Ministry

  by CloseTheDoor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the july 2015 kingdom ministry says jws can't do international outreach through the internet, but to instead, point someone in the direction of jw.org site.. it's just another form of control.

  the individual publisher is forced to send the interested one to a website fully controlled by the borg.. .

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  Overheard conversation before the meeting:

  Brother (speaking to Service Overseer): "Well, Brother So-and-so is a pioneer. Shouldn't he be able to do this?"

  My ears tuned into the conversation.

  Service Overseer: "Weellllll, that's a decision for the service committee."

  Brother: "Oh. I thought anyone who qualified could do it. I mean, you're just sitting there."

  I figured out they were talking about cart witnessing, newly implemented in our cong.

  Service Overseer: "Well, see, you gotta be outgoing. That's one of the qualifications."

  By this time, my attention got diverted, but this just made me shake my head. The brother had a point, all you're doing is sitting there. The REGULAR PIONEER brother was NOT ALLOWED to SIT at a cart because he's NOT OUTGOING ENOUGH!!!!!

  
  
  
  
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  4 New BOEs as of Tuesday 4/28

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we thank our informant for these documents and hope he/she will remain under the radar safely!.

  click the green download button... 2015 april 17, boe (re: meeting medical needs in the foreign-language field).

  .. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/gukk6aq.

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  Would be nice to see a U.S. version of this. The terminology here is for the UK version. In the U.S, I don't believe Advanced Directives (yes, that's what they're called here) ever expire. If I were a betting man, I'd bet this is specific for the UK branch territory. Can any elder in the U.S. confirm whether this applies here, too?
  
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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  BTW, Simon, if you're reading this, re-editing posts keeps cutting off what I'm entering....

  This video seems to me to be about damage control, big time. I have no issue with a donation arrangement. I DO have issue with lying about not asking for money, funds being used inappropriately, and ZERO of those funds being used to actually help poor PEOPLE. It's all about expanding the organization's PHYSICAL presence, not about the people.
  
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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  So, we've gone from 14,000 Kingdom Hall projects worldwide to 14,000 places of worship worldwide.

  Instead of leasing a small facility for each Regional Translation Office (RTO), they're planning on building 170, at the cost of $1,000,000 to several million dollars each. Call me stupid, but wouldn't leasing some office space at, say, $3000 per month, be better appropriation of funds?!?!?!?

  2 Cor 8:10-15 was cited to justify the new arrangement of "canceling" mortgages. Again, an out of context verse. Paul was talking about helping people who were poor, not congregations to pay back their building loans.

  At about the 26 minute mark, he says, "Our individual voluntary donations have combined to take care of the costs associated with producing our literature." This is very interesting. Only the literature is covered by the donations, because he next says: ""And we're confident that the same will prove true regarding the decision to cancel all Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall loans."

  He said the sale of the NY properties will only cover the cost of the construction of Warwick HQ and other facilities to assist in the move from Brooklyn. So, Warwick HQ and those other properties is costing at least $375 million (or more). Just making that clear.

  Wow... he cited Proverbs 3:27 to basically ask for money. But he left out the most important part. He said, "Do not withhold good, and it adds, if it within your power to help". The full verse says: "Do not withhold good from those to whom you should give it* if it is within your power to help." (Footnote: Or "to whom it is owing.")
  
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  May tv.jw.org program

  by zophar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may broadcast on tv.jw.org.

  we need money!.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.

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  Ex 35:4,5 was used to explain how Jehovah commanded the Israelites to take up a contribution. The purpose was to build the tabernacle, tent, etc. That was in THOSE days. Have things changed? Does Jehovah has a tabernacle today? Is his house on earth today?

  Acts 17:24,25: "The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things."

  1 Cor 3:16: "Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you?"

  So, if God doesn't dwell in handmade temples, then is Jehovah asking for the money for his house?